EPA rating says 14/18, just like the 5.4L. D'oh! God bless that 6sp tranny!

 

Now that you mention it, the Tundra is rated at the same EPA MPG as the F150 and thats with 81 more HP and 66 more lb/ft trq. Of course the 6spd transmission doesnt hurt mph, those extra two gears on the highway really help. You also have to remember that the F150 is heavy and the 300HP 5.4L is doing all it can to get the heavy truck moving. So MPG will suffer when the engine has to work harder. Now if you have an engine that can move the truck with less strain, you will obviously get better fuel mileage.

 

I think MPG and emmissions will keep your HP concern in check, if not mandated by the feds for environmental reasons, then it will be by the price of gas and the consumer.

 

No. It really isnt. Im not going to lie, id love to have more power...make that the post power, fastest truck as well. But i guess i can live to sacrifice a little to gain saftey, ride, and comfort. I was just saying if you seriously step back and think about it...when will the hp race ever end?

Dont worry, i have the xcal2 to pep up my ol' 5.4.....And a six speed in the 150...

I dont think anyone was able too see truck trends big review agaist the Ford Expedition EL with the 5.4 vs. the Chevy suburban with the 6.0L. The Expedition whooped but in every catagory for speed and pulling with its 6 speed transmission. So maybe having the most hp isnt the answer..maybe refining the driveline to put down as much power to the rear wheels as whats coming off the flywheel.

 

Theres nothing refined about a traditional 4spd auto and a 5.4L in front of it that ticks, shakes, and does everything except make decent power.

As far as an Xcal or Edge, I dont want to compromise the already shaky reliablility of the 5.4 by trying to squeeze power out of it, not to mention I dont want to void my warranty. As far as having a refined driveline and putting down the most power compared to that at the flywheel...the F150 puts out "300HP" at the flywheel. Now Im skeptical the the 5.4L makes 300HP within our RPM band, but I'll put that aside. With current stock dyno readings being pretty low, I doubt that we our seeing anywhere near maximum efficiency with the F150. That combined with a very heavy truck produces slow acceleration times and lack of ability to tow heavy loads. Again thats not really opinion, the numbers and facts dont lie here. I think Toyota just gave consumers what they want, a high HP/TRQ 6spd truck. Im sorry that Ford wasnt/isnt willing to produce that, but someone has to.

 

Your point?

 

Uh did you not read trytokeepup's post. Go back and read it.

 

Did you? He suggested that refining the driveline instead of just increasing power may be the way. The Expedition was his example.

He never said that the 4spd was a refined setup

 

Naw, I'll just steer clear, kind of a post and run if you will. I should have just avoided this BS thread in the first place. It's headed for ban-dom as it is.

 

Thank you. Im glad to see someone can understand.

**silverbullet5.4**

And as far as a "shaky 5.4"....explain? Boy, i guess our 2 new generation f150's and the 2 last generation f150s with the 5.4 must be the odd ones out since they are just fine. Wait, mine ticks at idle...oh, but then again its the injectors...wow big deal. I bet as shaky as that is i wont be able to continue to pull the shiot out of trailers for work. And oh yeah, i added the xcal for having a little fun and to improve the shifting that the f150s lack due to the soft tuning from the factory.

But, flame on....

 

Uh, obviously the point here is that the F150 needs a 5 or 6spd coupled with more power. No one is talking about simply increasing power, although I think we all can agree that the F150, being at the bottom of the power food chain, needs more power. Im not sure why this is such a sore subject for some. The Tundra has 381HP/400TRQ and a 6spd trans now, if that offends some or makes them go back to the "that there truck is ugly" mentality, then Im sorry. Like I said, I see it as a challenge that Ford will either meet or not meet. Competition will improve the market and consumers will benefit from it.

And since we're posting pics now...



Ive towed plenty with my 150 which is how Ive formulated my opinions.

 

IMO the tundra is ugly. And speed is not everything, but since that whats people are obsessed with now Ford is gonna have to up it. It will be interesting to see if the tundra lasts pulling the loads they say it can. Overall the F series is still a much better truck.

 

A few things.

1.) Saw a 2007 Tundra on the road today. Looks even better in person than it does on paper. In a word, awesome. It was silver, and the extended cab one, not the CrewMaxx. I uess someone was test-driving it, still had the paper in the wondow.

2.) I've had four F-series trucks with the 4.6L, and one with the 5.4L. I never had the opportunity to tow with the 5.4, but have towed with the 4.6L, and had plenty of power.

3.) The only problems I've had with the 5.4L were.

• Ticking at idle: Service manager said this was "normal" and there was nothing that could be done about it...
• Didn't like to downshift: For some reason, the truck never felt like it was in the right gear when driving through a neighborhood, and slowing to negotiate 90 degree turns. One of the few occasions when I felt like I had too much power.
• Cut-off at speed We'd had the truck a number of months, maybe even a year, when it just shut off while driving. Wife lost power steering, but was still able to maneuver the truck to the shoulder, then restart. Never happened since.

Of all the F-series we owned, that one was the only one that ever had any kind fo problems whatsoever. There were a few seat issues, and a few other minor cosmetic problems. It was a 2003 (First year of the new bodystyle).

The 4.6L has served us well, and is good enough for me...
But, if I find myself browing the Tundra lot, if I get one, I'm going for the gusto.

PS: 381 will not make it the most powerful LD "real" truck. The GMC Sierra will have the 6.2L as an option, and 403 HP (if they don't detune it from Escalade specs). *I'd read somewhere it will have 380, I can't find that source now...

In the face of the stats, and not having a track record to go on, pro or con where the new Tundra is concerned, what are you using to substantiate this claim? The fully boxed frame?

Tell me there's more; aside from history... Because if Ford gets to use truck building history, then Toyota gets to use Rock-Solid reliability. I say we scratch both since neither is a good indicator of future performance.

 

Well, not too sure but that looks like about a 20ft cargo trailer...whats inside it? Um, the cargo trailers and car trailers we are pulling around are heavy...real heavy and we are at or above our limit when towing. Thus the reason why we SHOULD have superduties....

I agree a 110% that ford needs to step it up in the power department and have a 6 speed tranny......i never said they ahve to have the most power, most torque, 7 speed tranny and so forth.........

This is stupid to argue...its like argueing who has a bigger peter. Thats why i tell all the ladies i have a tiny one but i know how to use it

 

Not only that, but, if you aren't driving the 7-lug, tow-package, regular cab, long-bed F-150, your max tow rating is not at the peak Ford claims for towing with the F-150.