I am 3rd generation Ford, things iv'e seen in change over the years is drastic, over the years we have worked harder, added work to jobs ect.I do make good money, but i sacrifice time and energy, along with aches and pains I will have forever, everyone potrays what they want about UAW jobs, but everyone only sees the negative facts not the positive ones,.
thanks to the media

 

I worked for a man like that too, and it is nice for the small time businesses to succeed. Those types of companies don't need unions.

But the large companies are more adept at pushing its employees down and forcing their agendas upon them. Large companies need to be kept in line by unions or the represented employees would be taken advantage of. Large companies seem to lose touch with employees. They seem to think that cutting the small guys off will save the dollar when it's the forty assistant vice presidents that aren't all needed.

 

See I couldn't disagree more.

There are federal protections in place for workers safety and rights.

Capitalism will keep companies "in line" ....we don't need blow hards who care more about themselves than those they represent "keeping them in line"

 

You're taking what I said all wrong. The companies are always trying to take away things from represented workers when it comes to contract time. They try to take away benefits, make raises less, squeeze more off the pension plan, etc. The union is there to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

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Hhhhmmmm, I guess that includes....

Teachers
Nurses
Electricians
Plumbers
Iron Workers
Police Officers
Postal Workers

I could go on and on, but unions are still needed in this country. At our plant if there was no union the company would keep adding work to jobs and then expect it to get done in the 60 seconds allotted. We don't just shoot 1 bolt and then it moves on. Most jobs involve a full 60 seconds to finish.
Keep in mind as KCAP150 put it, it is very hot in the summer. We have people fall out everyday from heat exaustion. Also, we don't get to go to a friends cubicle and chit chat, we can't go get a cup of coffee, we can't get online and surf for awhile, we can't stop our job and talk on the phone, the line does not stop.
Don't classify all union employees as being lazy. I have worked in retail, banking, accounting, telecommunications and there are lazy people who don't earn what they make by any means. I am sure any hard working person in here can point out 1, 2, 3......or more people they work with or have worked with that are worthless employees.
People think that you cannot get fired from a union job, WRONG. I know of 2 people that got fired last week from our plant.

AS far as building a plant in Mexico, remember companies don't have to worry about decent wages, the EPA, equal rights etc. The factories in Mexico are at a point that US factories were at in the 20's and 30's. Raw sewage and chemicals running out the back into creeks and $5.00 a day for a days work.

 

There are two types of people...

there are people who are Union all the way, and then there are people that are not.

thats why there are different jobs in this world, everyone has the right to choose what they want to be and do in Life. I choose my career as a Union Laborer because I like what I do, I like the Benefits and pension that goes with the job, its a job I can be happy with and make a decent living and have a retirement at the end of it.

I'm Union because I love what I do but can't live doing the same job I have now Non Union, just doesn't cut the bills. This way I can work Union, be happy with it, and have a great Pension, and Benefits while doing what I love.

theres always going to be lazy people everywhere, it doesn't natter if there Union or not, if your lazy, no ones going to want to hire you to work for them.

 

Oh please, don't give me that "it's hot in the summer" crap. I work in southwest Georgia, where humidity tops 90% regularly during the summer, with temperatures no lower than 95 degrees or so, inside a non air conditioned building - which makes ambient temps inside, with all the running vehicles and equipment somewhere around 120-130 degrees.

And unlike y'all, I don't get paid for taking breaks or standing around, hell, I don't even get paid hourly, if I'm not working, I'm not making money. Don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

 

Yeah, I've seen union workers get fired for, you got it, poor quality. They call it sabotage where I work. Pretty serious stuff.

 

[QUOTE]We get paid a 5 minute break, that is all! from 9-9:05, we do not get paid for our half hour lunch, so there only thing the company is paying for is a 5 minute break, if you ask me, thats pretty damn good

 

You should have a union job then. They'll take care of that for you.

 

Unions in general promote laziness and poor work standards including poor quality standards.

How, simple, there is no incentive to do the best possible job you can. There is no incentive to try and be better then the person next to you in the hopes you see a pay increase since a pay increase only happens with a contract. You can have an outstanding worker with 95% utilization and then another with 20% utilization and if they are the same classification, same years at job, etc they both get the same pay.

There is no incentive for personal responsibility since you have someone there to clog up the system with BS grievances where it gets to the point a company will only go after the really, really, really, crappy employees.

Basically a union shop, in general, will perform much less efficient, much less utilization, and much less quality of the same shop with non-union workers.

It has been proven, just look at how Toyota is starting to take over Ford’s business and Chevy’s business in truck purchases and other vehicle purchases.

It’s not MY opinion, it’s just a fact of life for anyone brave enough to look through clear glasses…

 

That has absolutely nothing to do with a union, it’s a fact of life for ALL workers regardless if their union or not…

 

Absolutely, there is NO reason whatsoever for any of those professions to have unions. If you get a crappy teacher, nurse, etc then you want it as easy as possible to throw them in the streets so that you can ONLY have the absolute best person in the job…

 

If that's the way you see things then the entire world is a union shop.

 

You need to do some unbiased research, man.