No one group can take full credit for the advancements we've made in this country in regards to racism. Without the best people from each school of thought, nothing good would have come of the civil rights movement.

Also, to be fair, the Pope certainly kept his mouth shut during the 30s and 40s in regards to **** Germany. Had he spoken up in opposition to Hitler, and his cronies, there may have been a lot more Jews with memories of their grand parents, parents, cousins, and siblings today. The Churches silence then could be, and has been, interpreted as complicitness with Nazism. I think it was a simple, yet costly, political mistake by the Pope, myself.

 

Fundamentally, Christians ARE against murder, however, it depends on how you define murder. Extreme right-wing Christians don't consider killing people that perform abortions murder, nor does the KKK consider killing blacks murder, they each have their own demented way of rationalizing things via religion, like Muslim extremists.

Republican main-stream Christians ended racism? Your kidding me, right? I didn't make any **** comments, I didn't say liberal Christians did all of it, just took a dose of them, and what is an assertation?

 

Exactly.. Even though a republican (Lincoln) passed the laws abolishing slavery- ending slavery wasn't the reason for the Civil War. Lincoln didn't set out to free any slaves; but that was the end result of the war, so he's credited for ending slavery. No matter how it ended, I'm glad it did. It's not right to "serve" any man, nor is it right for any man or woman, to own another person, or be owned by another person....

What ended racism? Nothing, it still exists, albeit in a far-far less obvious way. If I had to guess, I'd say the country is probably 90% non-racist; but you have certain groups that think less of other ethnicities than their own- I doubt if that will ever die; but it should and it needs to.

But, for the most part- "TIME" has ended racism as it once was. It took 100 years for blacks to enjoy any of the rights they were given in 1865, aside from their freedom. 1865 - 1965, when the Civil Rights Movement, and Equal Opportunity thanks to Lyndon Baines Johnson, ended the oppression.

LBJ was a democrat/liberal. But, even though he signed the law- I don't think he can or shoudl be credited with ending racism. Everyday, we all become a part of ending racism...

Although it sickens some on both sides, I feel good when I see a black man and a white woman together, or a white man and a black woman; a white man and an asian woman, or a black man and a Hispanic woman.

The truth is, a lot of what everyone has stated has some truth in it, depending on how you look at it. I'm a christian; I have been baptised, etc.. But, I also have sense enough to know that a lot of people read an interpret the Bible their way, and use it and certain scriptures to make what they doo seem credible. If no one reads the passage before it, or after it- you'll never get the full effect. That's why there are so many "sects" of Christianity:

Catholic
Roman Catholic
Baptist
Pentecostal
Presbyterian
Church of God in Christ
Jehova's Witnesses
Methodist
AME
CME
Episcopal

How can their be so many different "beliefs" and they're all reading mainly, the same Bible? Its because people chose to believe certain things, and not believe certain things... Just like the Sunni & Shiites in Islam.

 

The only reason it's a nice city is Ford owns nearly ½ of it. Fairlane mall ain't what it used to be and neither is the rest of the city. It's a nice town, but no utopia that's for sure.

 

we all know about Tim McVhey and Terry Nichols,not Muslims.

 

I was thinking the same thing...

 

anyone else notice the google ads being spawned by this discussion?



EDIT:

Image Link did not work...it was about religion tolerance....

 

Here's a little something to think about. There may actually be a Muslim connection to the OK City bombing. You can do a search on Google and come up with all kinds of stuff that casts doubt on what we've been led to believe about that terrible day. Of course, what's the point of confusing the issue with too much information?


http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.o...s&code=02-D_59

 

Or me with a hispanic woman




Seriously, you may be too young to remember (but I'm sure you are aware) that interracial marriages were prohibited in many states, and opposed by many until fairly recently. Guess which states held out the longest and who opposed it the most? Alabama only repealed banning it starting in 1989, South Carolina in 1988, 16 southern states still banned interracial marriages until 1967! A conservative Christian quote from the time

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."

Just me talking out my ****, again.

 

If anybody really wants to understand Islam, go buy the Koran and give it a read. It is just as beautiful as the bible in it's messages of tolerance, love, generosity amongst many other things; the problem is per capita just as many people mis-interpret it's message. I had the priviledge of being taught the Koran from a Shiite muslim while stationed in Iraq, he being one of the few local translators who had no problem working with the "Invaders" to most and "Infidels" to others.

A lot of things in this thread have been inaccurate and I want to clear a big one of them up. First that none of the upper echelons of the Muslim world have spoken out against bin laden and his followers. That's not true, on the second anniversary of 3/11 the Spanish Imam's issued a fatwa Against bin laden for his actions that do not follow the Muslim way. There have now been over fifty, of what would be considered a Cardinal to a Catholic, issuances of speaking out against all forms terrorism calling them evil. Do a google search on "Fatwa *against bin laden"

As to the racism comments that some what to change this into about how somehow Republicans were and are essentially the only racists. Thanks for calling me a racist whoever you asses are. Whatever your skin color or political party, you are now more indicative of the embodiment of a racist than my Republican self has ever been by lumping me into a catagory that has had a few bad apples, like all catogories have had. So lay off the political agenda unless you read more than one book a month and don't get your information from a movie screen.

Muslims are for the vast majority; kind, giving, caring and hard working people. See the world before you cast judgement upon all of them, visit Dubai or Abu Dabui or even Saudi Arabia. Not everyone is evil and for the most part you will find their culture wonderful and quite hospitable and tolerant considering the vast differences of belief structure and freedoms between us.
End Rant.

 

Vanessa Marcil is just too fine. Quit trying to get me sidetracked!


Most of these 'conservatives' were, at the time, democrats and are only heaped into the conservative aisle because they were racist. A distinction I don't accept as exclusive to conservatives. The fact is, they were racist bigots. If not for the conservative republican vote, there would not have been a Civil Rights Act of 1964 passage. There are a very large number of bible thumping democrats that lean to the left on just about everything; but, still use the N word regularly. This is not an issue that can be glued to one political ideology.

 

It almost worked! (That woman could be green and purple and I'd still die for her)


Yes, you are 100% correct, as you said earlier, no one group can be credited with the advances against rasicm.

Sorry to agree with you twice in the same month, I'll try to not let it happen again.

 

I don't know if any of the retorts were aimed at me- I didn't say anything to offend anyone; so if they were- scru you...

That said; in my note I said democrat/liberal as that seems to be the mindset, especially on this board, that if your political party is democrat, then you are automatically liberal as well. I said it like that so most could follow my train of thought.

For the record, I don't see either party as that great- but there have been good and bad people on both sides. I chose to become a democrat because my family were all Democrats; I almost chose republican because it's almost unheard of to find a black republican- but, I went (D). Truthfully, neither party means anything to me personally. I vote for whom, and what I feel is right, and if that view is deemed conservative or liberal- so be it. It's all about right & wrong where I'm concerned. So, whether the candidate or ideal is initiated or supported by a (D) or an (R), if I think it's right- I'll support it, if I think it's wrong, I won't...

I'm no "fan" of LBJ, I don't even like to drive on LBJ (IH-635 in Dallas) but- I do think he did the right thing by pushing EO, thus ratifying the movement. At the same time- I think he screwed up Vietnam, and may have had something to do with Kennedy's assassination- and I don't like that...

 

Untrue. Stop spreading your speculation as if it were fact.


Please...for the love of everything Holy...do a modicum of research okay? Start with google.

(shrug).

 

Sure, now the real you comes out.