I don't think my CAI or cat back did anything for me. Except made things sound better. The factory also has to cater to the entire spectrum of costumers. Many who won't want the tranny to shift so hard cause it's not as comfortable. Or don't want to pay for premium fuel. It's a fact that motors make more HP with advanced timing.

No I didn't get my truck dyno'ed before and after my tune, and that's "because I have a respect for money". But I can tell you this much, my new tune increased HP some, and completely changed the way my truck feels when shifting.

Plus many guy's get them so they can adjust their speedo after getting bigger tires.

 

Well, I never considered the tire diameter/speedometer aspect or the trans tailoring capabilities. I've noticed many people on this site actually getting shift kits to firm up their trannys, does the change in the tune wake up the firmness quite a bit, "as in" maybe not having to install a shift kit hopefully.

 

the newer 3 valve 5.4's need the tune since the air flow is altered after a CAI.

that's why recomended Troyer to you (for for basic upgraded ATI kit), Justin was man enough to tell me that he needed my procharged truck on a dyno (after we spoke in length about the mods) before he could tune it, that's why he got my last tune order, 'cause I trust his experience and he has been very honest with me so far and I don't want to wait for the troyer tune.


you're right about how people do not research the mods before they buy them (the throttle body spacer is a perfect example)



Back for the OP, Troyer has experience tuning F-150's and can tune different trucks with different mods from mild to wild due to his experience. VMP is also good and both tuners seem to have had similar issues with similar trucks.

 

I don't have much experience with shift kits but it seems to me that the tune does the same thing. (I'm sure someone who knows more about it will correct me here...rightfully so)

From first to second gear I immediately jump 5 mph.

The change in the tranny response, I feel, is the biggest performance gain from a tuner.

I know I also went up some in HP. they claim 15%. I doubt that but I know it did go up some.

I bought the tuner with my lift kit just to fix the speedo. I installed the tuner before the lift kit and tires and I was very surprised how much it helped the performance of the truck after I installed the tune.

 

the tune is harder on the pump; however on a almost-stock truck it's fine

the factory tech C-plate / valve body is what I went with and I could grab rubber in 2nd @ WOT

now with the tune set to soften the 1-2 upshift I still get rubber @ WOT but at part throttle is perfect. A lot of people also run the Transgo shift kit and I haven't heard any complaints (the transgo has 3 settings)

 

Funny you writing this novel about Troyer because I actually prefer my VMP tune over the Troyer tune that I had. I found that with my Troyer tune the torque convertor unlocked/locked a hell of a lot more than it does with my current VMP tune and the VMP tune makes a hell of a lot more low end power than my Troyer did. I originally read threads like this and that's why I went with Troyer in the first place but I didn't care for his tune so I switched to VMP and couldn't be happier.

 

Comparing a mail order tune to a dyno tune is like comparing apples to watermelons.

 

Without dynoing at the same place on the same day it's hard to compare numbers, especially with different dynos. I've seen my buddies race car dyno'd at three different places without changing anything and one read as much as 27hp higher than the other.

 

In fairness it is, especially on the power side. Not sure about the torque convertor stuff. My point is, people write all this stuff about Troyer like he does this 100% unique stuff and there are people on this board who have had both MAIL order tunes and didn't seem to notice much difference between the two other than small things so to me it seems like they can both tune.

Either way, I would say if you can get a DYNO tune over a mail order tune anyday of the week.

 

Anybody know why the Troyer tune takes half a lifetime to receive after getting the consumers vehicle info?

 

Because he concetrates more on the vehicles in the shop VS the ones that are long distance

 

Busier shop? If you've got more work, one man can only do so much of it at a time. Even Power Hungry Performance now has a waiting period.

 

Have you ever had a conversation on the phone with this guy?! lol Ask him if he thinks you should get underdrive pulley kit and you'll get a 45 min answer. So now you realize why it takes an eternity to tune a truck, especially if he talks to himself while writing the tune as mentioned above. He is a nice guy though.

 

HI!... And probably has forgot more about tuning these trucks in the last 3 seconds than you will EVER know............................:rolleye s:

 

My truck was dyno'd at the same place each time, each time with SAE corrected numbers using a weather station. SAE corrected numbers to weather conditions was created by the industry in order to have an apples-to-apples comparison when using the same equipment. Mike Troyer and VMP both use SAE corrected Dynojets.