Look at it from the dollars per HP perspective. A $5000 Roush supercharger will give you 112hp. That's $44.64 per HP. Even if you had to buy a laptop and spent $1200 total for 40hp, that's still only $30 per HP.

 

Actually, the ones who get jumped on are the ones who come to this board for the sole purpose of being negative regarding MT. They have little or no knowledge and often are not interested in the topic being discussed. Go to any forum and randomly take shots at the resident Guru and you too will be jumped on.
As for the laptop being factored into the cost of the tune...that is pure bs. Even a social misfit like me can put their hands on a laptop or windows pc for a day

 

I also have yet to see anyone provide any sort of proof either way that Tp or other tuners are superior. Fair is fair, all any of us has done is provide opinion, conjecture and innuendo about our favorite product or tuner. The original poster asked for proof, so far all we've done is argue back and forth about certain tuners experience and our own seat of the pants opinions. I have nothing against TP, or any other tuner for that matter, I just would also like to see all evidence for any tuners dyno proven numbers. I can't and won't slam any other tuners since the only one I have experience with is TP.

 

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You want proof, that's great...go too a dyno and post your results for us. No conjecture, just your dyno numbers....with and without

 

How is that proof of what other tuners can do? I already said I have a Tp tuner, I'm just wanting to be fair to other tuners instead of just going by what people "feel".

 

HI!... All I know is that a few years ago when my truck was stock , it ran a best of 16.01E.T. I installed MIKE's chip ( blue, single bank) and my E.T dropped to 15.38E.T. That's proof enough for me.

 

Like I said....take your Troyer tuned truck to a dyno and get us the numbers with and without the tune. That way you can give those "seat of the pants" guys and other prospective buyers REAL numbers.

That's fair

If the other tuners/users want to post their numbers nobody is stopping them....in fact, I would welcome it! For six-months I have yet too see another tuner post here besides Mike. That tells me they can't or won't go one-on-one with Troyer....either way they won't get my business.

 

fair enough.

this should actually be a multi - part question.

i think you would have a hard time finding better customer service

i think you would have a hard time finding a company (yes, company not an indiviual working out of his house) that actually takes part daily on a website and has a office staff to answer phone and take care of shipping questions and possible problems.

i think you have a better chance of receiving the correct tune the first time with mike.

this board simply has to many members and mike sales way to much to not be at the very least, better than average.

Does MT produce more hp than others. at the end of the day probably not, the reason is that if given enough time and the fact that several competitors have access to the same software and tech support from SCT, anyone can get it right sooner or latter. Fact is that most guys (myself included) want a chip with no hassel, that makes a fair increase but is not on the edge of not being safe, i dont want to worry that some POS is going to take my money and disappear ( this happened on a group buy in the sc section).
i do think that mike is more consistant, hard to beat experience.

ask yourself this, if the chip you get is not correct, is the vendor going to correct it and if not what is your course of action, if you live in Texas and a guy in California screws you , what is your recoarse, keeping that in mind, have you ever seen someone post here that product was not received or that product was defective and mike didnt make good on it...what is that worth to you?

AS a car guy that has been screwed a few times, go with the reputable dealer.. reputation is everything.

 

I will say it again...

If you want proof, then spend YOUR money and do the comparison. I am sure nobody here will knock factual data.

Just because no one here so far has spent their money to do a comparison and they stand up for a product they believe in. Then I don't get the antagonistic way of asking and answering posts.

So if there is no readily available answer to your question, then I suggest you do your own homework instead relying on everybody else. Otherwise it is nothing but background noise until you have your own facts/proof to back your conjecture and/or claims. It's very easy for someone to make claims just to stir up the pot.

I have been using MT's tunes for over 5 years and a few vehicles. I know what has been a great product in MY OPINION and I will continue to use his product until someone can provide hard data of something better.

Later

 

SHUT THIS STUPID THREAD DOWN!



P.s. I HAD a 1714 SuperChips Max tuner; I recently changed to a custom tune done by Mike troyer. Worlds of difference. Shift patterns are better; pulls harder thru the entire RPM band, and my speedo is ACTUALLY correct now. After switching tires and gears, the 1714 tuner could NOT fix my speedo perfectly. Its now within 1 MPH of correct. His tune is great compared to the 1714. Period.

 

Why does a thread like this go on and on?
>>>The answer is that few of you know anything about what and how the programing is involved between the EFI and the transmission.
How can you even argue the merits if you do not know from one chip to another and one progrsam to another and one vendor to another what has been changed to alter performance?
One chip may only change the transmission shifting without doing anything to the EFI. How would most of you know that, then say it did or did not work as expected.
Everyone seems to be assuming max hp instead of overall performance in these threads. Hell, your all lost if thats the case.
The vendor on this site takes the time to find out what the owner wants to achieve, then programs accordingly with known safe limits in place instead of a bonszi tune that may be questionable over a longer term from some source that never asks you what your intent was before selling a chip.
Certinaly if a questionable tune were to cause a problem you would not like that in any case no matter who the programmer was.
Now if for example a performance tune is used to tow with and damage results, that's the owner's fault and not the tune, chip or vendor.
Stop being so hard headed and think a little bit and look at the bigger picture.

 

I've only owned my F-150 for about a month now. I haven't dealt with TP at all, other than to have a reply to my question in someone else's post. I have seen this on other forums related to motorcycle performance (My Suzuki Bandit 1200 is 'slightly' modified, mostly with parts and help from a guy named Dale Walker at Holsehot Performance Products). There is more than one way to get performance out of any given motor. Tuners will differ in their approaches. What comes through is customer service. TP seems to have it and participates in this forum. Let the other tuners do that and I bet their fans would come online as well. Don't bash the thread or TP or Mike...that's just lame.

 

You can't compare dyno numbers unless they are on the same day, same dyno, same conditions, same vehicle..... It's just not practical to do this.

Now, before my Xcal2 from TP, my truck ran consistent 16.5s. After I installed the 93 oct tune it runs consistent 15.7s. That's proof enough for me. If anyone has a tune by a different vendor, post before and after times. Those would mean much more than just dyno numbers.

 

Sorry for starting such a warzone here.....