Then don't post them directly. Post the gist of what happened. I'd like to hear about their problems. Outside of another forum using the cuss word blanker to prevent people from posting his last name I haven't heard anything bad about Mike.

As far as pushing, most of these folks are Troyer customers. If you ask em what they like what other answer would you expect? Ask a Cristian which is the best religion. If the original poster is smart he'll take the "Troyer is the one true god" posts wth a grain of salt and make his decision based on the facts.

 

I guess that makes you the president of the "I hate Mike" secret society.

That is the dumbest statement I have ever read.

Gee I have proof that Mike has unhappy customers but its a secret, we are afraid.

If I was unhappy I would be screaming from the rooftops, perhaps the cowards deserve to be unhappy, if they indeed exist at all.

 

You are correct in your statement that nobody is perfect. NOBODY !!
I can only use the content of your posts here to come to this conclusion, but I believe it to be correct when I say that if you had even one person that contacted you in regards to thier being unhappy with Troyer's services that you would have posted it long ago in your biased attempt to tarnish his reputation. You are wasting your time and solidifying my statement with the continuation of doing so....

 

Im sure the % of unhappy customers is minor to the ones who are happy

how do u know that these unhappy customers never contacted Mike? I know for a fact that they were told that it wasnt the tunes fault and the problems were fixed with another tune from other tuners...and why would they tell me? who knows maybe they know I will say something for them

 

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Marc why would I post up a email from someone who asked me not to make it public? I respect what they asked and I keep my word to it...you can believe what you want but I do have proof...if the customer came on here saying he wasnt happy what do u think would happen? what if the tuner told him that it wasnt the tunes fault and started a public debate about it? it would turn out the same way it does when I post...everyone will say that its not the tune its something else...and if the customer proved that it was the tunes fault do u think something would of been said? Mike and even yourself have been proven wrong and nothing happend there either

 

I'm happy...

I've been happy with my troyer tuned 9100 for 2 years now. Just got the efans and pulleys from Troyer also...love them...so mark me down in the "happy" column.

 

Now its A customer.... Not customers... Sheesh

 

You probably don't want to know how I would know...But when you have a real friend you can share the "TRUTH" with about "ANYTHING" , well then you would just know....When your a sincere and honest individual there are no secrets and honesty is the only factor...I have witnessed Mikes concern for any and all issues that absoultely anyone has with his products or tuning. He will find the issue if there is one and it will be remedied to everyones satisfaction.
With this being said, "Please have a blessed Thanksgiving".

 

HI!... Well said MARC!!!!!!!!

 

What I really like about Troyer is the fact that they won't let those of us who aren't knowledgable ( most of us ) do stupid things.
At first I was mildly annoyed when asked questions about my orders, but after a couple of orders, I realized that they were simply way more helpful and concerned than other vendors I have used.
I had an opportunity to speak to Mike about some upcoming mods, and he told me all I needed to know, and was very generous with his time.
Sorry, you can't beat the service, and quality.

raider - have you considerd writing soap operas?

 

I have a tune that was done by Mike and he has done so many changes to it for me that had I not dattaloged all the tunes i would loose count. From a performance aspect all the tunes are outstanding all changes showed large improvements and the tune is safe and there is still a liitle left on the table. there is more to a tune than just power, his transmission and torque converter sceduals are fantastic. What an improvment for the hills of western Pa.

Eight months after the tune when it turned cold below 20 degerees a "glitch" turned up where when you pulled out it would fall on it's face it would spit sputter and backfire and was actualy dangerous, now I might add that the winter before with a stock tune and a Granetelli mass air it also had some problems although not as bad. Mike had recomended going to the 90mm mass air instaerad of the granetelli. So I didn't know what was causing the problem I knew that I couldent live with it. I called Mike and after explaining the situation to him and telling him in the old carberator days I would have backed the choke pulloff adjustment out about 2 turns he said I can fix it. And fix it he did that evening came an email with 3 tunes I installed the tunes into my 9100 downloaded it to the truck, and it has never done it again.

I have also had a problem wit hot start ups surging for 20 to 30 seconds after a hot soke of about 20 minutes. Mike has said that it's not from the tune. I can't use my stock tune to see what it does, well I could but I'm not changing everything back to prove or disprove the tune, I can live with it. It would be great if it didn't do it but it does. Could Mike fix it, maybe if it acted up in his presance yes maybe no. It hasen't acted up in over two weeks. And again I have read on the engine forum of people having same issue with a stock truck so maybe it's a Ford glitch although they would never admitt to a problem look waht it took to recall fire issues with the cruise control.

So is Mike a good tuner? he has done a good job for me, It's like going to a doctor if he cures you he's a hero., if not he's a zero. I would say that MIke is pritty close to the 95% mark.


PS: you want to see tuner problems, go to the SCT forums and see what some of those people go through with who they deal with, it,s scary out there.

 

Ok, I will chime in....

I know Mike isn't perfect but he goes to the Nth degree to resolve any tuning issues. I bought a tune from Mike that wasn't working well. I called him and we discussed what was going on. He made recommendations to me that made sense. It helped but did not totally resolve the problem. So I called back and we went over the problems again and he told me to send my tuner back to him for reprogramming. When I rec'd it back. There was marked improvement but just not "dialed in" with my setup. I called back and he said send it back. When it finally came back it was great. More than I expected.

I was a little miffed over my mistake of not buying the email update option but my point is that Mike NEVER EVER said the tune could NOT be causing my problems. Instead he kept at it until it was right. I was never given the bum's rush on any aspect of my dealings with Troyer and crew.

Every vehicle is a different animal and to get them dialed in correctly may take a few iterations. Some people don't realize this and they get PO'd because it wasn't "done right the first time". So they shoot their mouth off about it. When in reality it was their own ignorance by not datalogging to get it right the first time.

Mike's attention to detail can proven by his instructions for the efans he sells. You only have to compare them with any other companies instruction.

I guess if you really want a comparison. You need setup each tuner's product on the same vehicle and try for yourself. Unless you are willing to go to that expense yourself to prove your point. Then quit bashing people for what they believe in.

'Nuff said.

 

The problem I have is when someone comes here and says he represents dissatisfied customers THAT DO NOT WANT TO BE NAMED, and tries to undermine Troyers work with innuendo and invisible customers.

EVERYONE should have the chance to face their accusers, to make things right IF their is a problem, but no there are a few here that want to damage Troyers reputation, with NO PROOF, NO FACTS, Just a chip on his shoulder for whatever reason.

I have asked repeatedly for any proof, fact, shred of evidence and the only reponse is "I have proof and that is all that matters"

No what matters is when people like this come very close to liable and thats exactly what this is a attempt at liable.

So without any proof keep running your mouth, sooner or later you will cross that liable line and let the fun begin.


So I'd take the I hate Troyer club and just laugh at them until they can come here with a honest to god complaint from a honest to god customer.

 

Hey harborbreeze:

..."Just a chip on his shoulder for whatever reason"

Izzat a pun?

Just trying to lighten things up.

There be a passle of bashers in them thar hills, over in the 2004-2006 forum, but they stay there because exposure here would cause 'em to soil their collective loin cloths.

RockPick, sir - perhaps you could <ahem> move that thread over here, since it is really a 'chips' discussion Hehe...

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=218240

Cheers
Grog