You're still a dumbass for blowing money on a sorry *** ESP. You've also got more money than brains if you're willing to lay out $2500 on a transmission rebuild. If your vehicle is so damned junky that you NEED an ESP, then get your priorities in order and buy something that's a little more reliable. It's stupid to spend $600 or more on something like an ESP, that you'll never get your money's worth out of, when you could use that money towards paying off your vehicle. The vast majority of your major problems will occur well within the basic 3/36 warranty, negating the need for any extension.

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'98 F150 XL Regular Cab, LWB, 4.2L V6, 5 Spd, 3.55 LS, Rhino Lining, factory heavy duty suspension, 3" Gibson Swept Side Cat Back, K&N filter, Oxford White minus the two tone garbage. BIG TIME FoMoCo p/u fan, not some fair weather hammerhead.



[This message has been edited by Ford man (edited 11-29-1999).]

 

Ford man,

I have had to use the ESP on the old Pathfinder. Again I feel it serves as a "quasi" insurance for possible unseen mechanical problems. You also said that the "vast majority" of prblems happen within the 3/36, what about for the problems that occur out of the 3/36? I also refered to a new transmission not a rebuild. A new trans will run aprox $2500.

Oh ya, what's up with this "dumbass" word you seem to be hooked on. I'm starting to wonder if you're kidding, so be cool if you're not!

rmarietta you are now a VP!

Later all!




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'00 Expedition XLT, Silver w/Dark graphite interior, 5.4L, Stull Billet Grill and some other stuff. All in all she'll stay stock. Ok, maybe a Flowmaster 50 series soon.

 

Okay, I've taken a few deep breaths. First, and most importantly, let me apologize for using the term "dumbass" because I certainly didn't mean to attack or offend anyone. I feel very strongly about the extended warranties, or ESP from Ford. The quality of vehicles is such, that the ODDS of you having any major powertrain failures beyond the 3/36 warranty is very small. As I said before, the profit dealers make from the sale of extended warranties is obscene. They resort to some of the lowest, scummiest and misleading sales tactics (such as holding a percentage point on your finance contract over your head when you're borderline). Sometimes, it's as though a dealer pushes the ESPs harder than the vehicles (even when you're not financing through Ford). It's hard to ever come out ahead on the purchase of an ESP unless you abuse your vehicle. I know, from time to time, there'll be a transmission failure, or whatever, and you may get your money back then, but that's really a small percentage of all owners. If you HAVE TO HAVE an ESP, bargain on the price. There's another thread on here somewhere about the best way to manipulate a dealer into selling it for what's reasonable. Don't be mislead by anyone on the terms of an ESP and don't let anyone make it a condition of the sale of a vehicle.

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'98 F150 XL Regular Cab, LWB, 4.2L V6, 5 Spd, 3.55 LS, Rhino Lining, factory heavy duty suspension, 3" Gibson Swept Side Cat Back, K&N filter, Oxford White minus the two tone garbage. BIG TIME FoMoCo p/u fan, not some fair weather hammerhead.

 

Ford man is right dealers sometimes make more on the ESP than the truck itself.

 

We are all from different regions and the terms we sometimes innocently use may taken in an entirely different context by someone elsewhere. Some may find the term 'dumbass' to be rather harsh.

May I suggest that in the future we be referred to as the,
'gluteus maximusly impaired'.

 

Ford Man,

I make more than enough money to cover the ESP. I tried to explain that it's been useful to me personally. It's a good bet for me because I push all my vehicles to the max.

I race anything, anywhere, with anything I'm drivin'

Have a good holiday,
Mark G

[This message has been edited by Mark G (edited 11-30-1999).]

 

Read all of the above replies regarding the ESP.....If I may offer my humble opinion.....

I purchased the ESP for my 97 F150 since this was my first domestic truck purchase and I was not entirely confident that it would be a good product, I remember manufacturing problems that seemed to plague some domestic vehicles in the 80's, and I normally purchased Japanese, due to their proven reliability (had two Nissan P/U's in a row, damn good trucks).

Anyway, I experienced a timing cover coolant leak during my initial waranty period on the 97 F150. Due to this, I picked up the ESP right before my warranty expired, didn't know if I was going to have further problems that would amount to huge repair bills (don't you think that it's a little out of the ordinary to have a timing cover leak at 16K ?).

Decided to trade in my 97 F150 for my current 99 F150 from the same dealer. As far as the extended warranty was concerned on the 97, I applied and recieved a prorated refund for almost the entire amount- ESP's are refundable on a prorated basis and transferrable to another owner if you choose.

Now my 99 F150 has piston slap, and will be cured of it under it's present warranty. Now what do you think I'm going to do when my 99 F150 approaches the end of its original factory warranty period ? And what do you think my course of action will be with the ESP if I decide to trade or sell my truck ?

ESP is peace of mind......

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1999 F150 4x4, dark blue, 5.4l auto, Manick brush guard, KC Hilites, tinted windows, K&N air filter without airbox, Gibson side swept exhaust, bedliner, toolbox, Uniden CB with whip, and now, an appointment with Dr Ford for open heart surgery (to replace a Piston Slap'in Engine)...

 

Well now, I had no idea I would see any controversy here. Thanks for your opinions.

I bought my truck in January, with 6k on the odo. I now have 31k on the odo. It is going to the dealer for the slap, as I want this addressed before 3/36 expires.

I have peace of mind with ESP. I have made many repairs in the field, (major powertrain repairs) and I know that if anything can go wrong, it will.

Derek

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I don't view ESP as a waste of money. I have worked on plenty of vehicles under an extended warranty. Ford has about the best one going. Other companies actually have you install junk yard parts. I bought the esp on my truck. I looked at it this way, with the money I was putting out in monthly payments, if something major went, I would only be able to still afford the payments and not the repair. Another words, I'd be paying off a truck I couldn't use.

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1997 F-150, 4.6, automatic, Dark Toreador Red, Supercab, Flareside, 4X4 Off-Road, Towing Package, Chrome Grizzly Wrap Around Push Bar, Ford bedliner, Code Alarm Sure Start RVS remote starter, and Lots of TLC!! (Besides being an F-150 nut, I am a Ford auto technician.)

 

When they added mine up my payments would have been $50.00 a month more.

 

Hi guys just thought I might add my two cents on this topic. I added the esp on my truck because the dealer gave me free maintenance on my truck. Everything for the first 37500 miles they do for me. It makes life a whole lot easier on me because now I just drop by and they change the oil and check it out for me. Plus by the time you add up all the maintenance over that period it almost covers the cost of the esp.

 

I'd flush that money down the commode before I'd spend one dime on an ESP. For every tale of woe offered up here, I know of at least that many,of Ford vehicles driven to 200K, that haven't needed anything other than normal maintenence.

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'98 F150 XL Regular Cab, LWB, 4.2L V6, 5 Spd, 3.55 LS, Rhino Lining, factory heavy duty suspension, 3" Gibson Swept Side Cat Back, K&N filter, Oxford White minus the two tone garbage. BIG TIME FoMoCo p/u fan, not some fair weather hammerhead.

 

In fact, how did I ever get along without an ESP on my old vehicles? Oh my! My '74 Galaxie went 240K and only needed a rear main seal and lifters. If I'd only had a warranty, I wouldn't have had to get under the hood. All of the bonehead explanations thus far, have failed to show how the ESP is a benefit. Timing cover? So what, a reputable shop (i.e., NON-dealer) can replace the entire timing chain for around $150. Piston slap? As I recall, that's a TSB issue, not contingent on an ESP. Ford doesn't use junkyard parts? What've you been smoking? Ford replaces engines and transmissions with remanufactured items even during the basic warranty period. Always has. Receive a proration on the unused portion of an extended warranty? HAH!! Try getting that from Fred Jones Auto Collection in Oklahoma City and Tulsa. They will only cooperate under the threat of a lawsuit. Ford's corporate office didn't believe me until they called them and were told, by Joe Miller, of Fred Jones' downtown OKC dealership, to F/O! What benefits does an ESP give?! My Dad's '85 F150 would've really benefited; he's only been able to get 152K on his 302/C6 with a timing chain going out at 148K. What was he thinking?!! He should've had an ESP!!!! My Mother currently has 90K on her '94 T-Bird, no transmission failures, etc. Sure needed an ESP that, too. If you have to finance an ESP, YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT!! That is SO STUPID, to PAY interest on something like that. "Push everything to the max," what are you, a rock star?

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'98 F150 XL Regular Cab, LWB, 4.2L V6, 5 Spd, 3.55 LS, Rhino Lining, factory heavy duty suspension, 3" Gibson Swept Side Cat Back, K&N filter, Oxford White minus the two tone garbage. BIG TIME FoMoCo p/u fan, not some fair weather hammerhead.



[This message has been edited by Ford man (edited 12-03-1999).]

 

We are all from different regions and the terms we sometimes innocently use may be taken in an entirely different context by someone elsewhere. Some may find the term 'SO STUPID' to be rather harsh.

May I suggest that in the future we be referred to as the, 'mentally challenged'.

However, I have absolutely no objection to being referred to as a 'rock star'.

[This message has been edited by Raoul (edited 12-02-1999).]

 

There is no right or wrong in buying the ESP. Like Ford man, I realize the odds are greatly in the favor of the Manufacturer, or they wouldn't offer the service. Because of that alone, I have not and will not ever purchase one. For those people who have peace of mind due to buying the plan and those few who came out ahead in the end, I say "Good for you." This service is no different than any other insurance policy. The bottom line is this: How much risk are you willing to take versus how much risk are you willing to pay someone else to take? This is not a point to argue, but simply a measure of each person's own comfort level.
Peace Out
Selva1

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