Yep 150 years is a long time in anything, in fact its longer than Ford has been in business. So we might know just a little about equipment and that includes trucks. Sorry you dont wanna give stuff a fair comparison because it may not be made here. I guess you are too worried you might actually like it or have to explain it to your brothers at the union hall. If you wanna throw away your money on an inferiour product of any kind, go ahead, like P.T. Barnum said, there is one born every minute.

Well first of all its shows how little any of you guys know about farming. Its the only business in the world where someone else tells you what they will pay for your product. The government does not interfere with what Ford charges you for a truck, but EVERY GOVERNMENT ON THE PLANET, interferes with agriculture. So if you want a free market, get ready to pay $8.50 for a gallon of milk, (of course, now you cant complain since it will be produced and sold only in the US)

Yeah we support both foreign and domestic manufactuers. But dont expect to wave the flag and kick any mileage with me. I have had my fill of both GM and Ford and lame excuses for bad designs, and pitiful customer service on top of it. It is far more unpatriotic to wave the flag, take my money and expect me to put up with sloppy design, assembly and poor reliability than to just sell me the foreign product. What are you so threated by the competition for? You can thank Honda, Mazda (which ford owns 40% now) Toyota and the others for FORCING THE AMERICANS TO GET BETTER. Otherwise we would still be riding around in benchmark cars like the Fairmont, Citation, and Reliant K. You were probably defending them back when everyone had gotten sick of crap and were driving Honda, diesel rabbits, and the like. The american arguement means nothing to me, Ford has no plans for american workers, they have plenty for Mexico, China, Poland, and such. Does that make me happy? Nope, but can I do anything about it? Nope, we still buy and the jobs still go overseas. Think any corporate entity cares about you or me? Nope, hello?, this is reality calling! See its just the opposite, if anyone has a right to speak out, its people who use the products everyday and their livelihood centers around reliability. We dont have time for excuses, crappy designs, or repeat failure. We have a business to run, daily, 365, I loose no sleep at all if someone thinks I am unamerican, selling me crap and refusing to stand behind it is unamerican.


I have had my fill of pro union people who live in a 200k house with 2 new Tahoes and a new boat with a high school degree working on a line at Delphi telling me how reliaible their products are. See once again, you guys dont know what else is out there and how it lasts over time. The proof is putting the Rams next to the Silvarados next to the F150/250. Year after year, month after month, model year after model year. Like I say, the Fords are far and away the most reliable of the american trucks, but that in no way excuses what is going on with piston slap or radiators, its sad, pathetic, and its wrong.


All you can do is name call like a typical democrat and try and put if off on us. Well Ford folks, we dont design, manufacture, deliver, or service our american trucks or our foreign products.

We never went to foreign products until THE AMERICANS DROVE US TO THEM WITH DESIGN PROBLEMS AND POOR CUSTOMER SERVICE. (E4OD, 4r70, 700r4, 200t4, 440t4, 125c, AXOD, AXODe, 4.1 caddy, 4.5 caddy, 4.9caddy, 5.4 ford, 3.8 ford, 518/618 chrysler tranny, GM Diesels, 3.1 V6, gee this list is getting long)

That might be why you never hear someone say "Damn I have had so much trouble with this Honda Accord, I am buying a Cutlass" Seems to me its always the other way around.


So we experience what everyone else does. We only buy foreign tires, Michelin, Toyo, Sumitomo, Yoko, Bridgestone, and they run circles around all the american tires. Yep, we get american tires from the factory, and none of them perform like the foreign ones. If that makes you uncomfortable so be it, but we laugh all the way to the bank. They give us twice the life, better safety, and are more economical in the long run.

Dude was right about Honda generators, they run forever and nothing else is close to them, but then again, you would not know that since you would rather have a V Briggs motor that still blows up six years in production. Your appetite for problems amazes me.

See people run John Deere because you can get parts for them, people run Kubota because you dont need parts for them.

 

Just one little thing Mastercraft. As a person who likes to peruse all the manufacturers boards, there is one mistruth that you are stating.

If you have spent any time at the Toyota Tundra site, you would see that they are also experiencing a piston slap issue. As a matter of fact, pretty much every manufacturer who uses the hypeuteutectic pistons is. So please, don't toot your horn too loudly on that issue.

Also, they are experiencing plenty of problems, and are having plenty of issues with their dealerships on service. So, before you come in here as the do all end all of vehicular knowledge, look around a bit. Maybe you are lucky to have a great Toyota dealership..... and are unlucky enough to have a **** poor Ford dealership, but this is not always the case.

What it boils down to is this. People will buy what they like, that best fills their needs, both real and percieved. This is why there are so many different vehicles made. To put us down, on our Ford F150 board would be like me going to the Tundra site and telling them what a POS their trucks are. Of course people are going to defend what they like. I would expect nothing less.

Just my opinion, of course I could be wrong.

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master(?)craft, since the US government "interferes" with your farming business, I've got a good question. In your 150 years of farming, how many US dollars have been given to you as gov't subsidies? I'll bet it's much more than the foreign gov'ts have given you. We shouldn't have to pay to support people like you that just can't cut it in today's marketplace.
Don't start the education bit either. It's plain to see that your education is seriously lacking in many areas. What is a "mute" point? Do you mean moot, oh intelligent one?
You keep supporting the other countries. I sure as heck hope that the American consumers do the same to you. What a disgrace to the honest, hard working American farmers!
Some of reasons that YOU state that people use to buy TOYotas, etc., are the same reasons why people here don't buy sissy trucks like you use for riding around spreading manure. We use ours trucks, and the sissy trucks that are fit for going shopping just don't cut it for REAL world use. So before you make comments that you know nothing about, please remove your head from its dark cavern, and look at the real world.

 

Beardoge, check out my signature and try to read posts more carefully. I think you'll find that you're shooting at the wrong person!!!

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Hey Thanks again for making my point, all you can do it attack the messenger, not the message on fact. You make a career out of name calling and acting like someone who is 14 years old. You never have addressed all the crap we made in the 1980's and 1990's and even to this day! Care to take on that one? Care to pony up a good excuse for everyone on this board who has piston slap or head problems? We are waiting for a better explanation from you than from Ford since they cant seem to find one.

Or are you just gonna go back and wrap yourself in the flag one more time? All you can do is call the Toyota a sissy truck (such strong accusations, wow that really makes me loose some sleep) If you think farming is not hard on trucks being off road, in the mud, and such all the time, well come on down frostbelt and take a look for yourself, instead of thinking going off road is bumping up over a curb at a Michigan Football game.

Oh gosh, a typo, please Brer Fox, dont throw me in the briar patch!
Whats that number, 1-800 ABCDEFG?

As for education, I would be there are more degrees on my wall than yours bro. Oh and subsidity? TRY ZERO. Governments interfere with price controls, so yeah we do have our head out of our whatever. Cant compete in the market? Well you are onto something, there is no fair market in farming, give us a fair playing field, that is all we have ever asked for, but like i said, get ready for $8.50 a gallon milk, and $4.50 a pound hamburger. But hey, since you are such a Paul Revere, I assume you wont mind the 600% jump in your grocery bill, might just mean you have to settle for the cloth interior instead of leather on your next F150.


Lets see the largest dairy supplier in the US is French, the orange juice you had this morning probably came from Brazil, and so did your hamburger meat from McDonalds. So you gonna boycott eating to be a true blue? I bet you have not missed a meal in quite some time.

 

Hmm, uh, ok, well, so has anyone smoked a Tundra lately?

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mastercraft, so much of your BS, so little time. Why don't YOU "pony up" some answers to people with TOYotas that have got problems? Have you forgotten all of the junk that Japan dumped here in the '70s, '80s, and even today? If you're old enough , do you remember all of the engine problems with the TOYota Land Cruisers, and other assorted vehicles ? You know, heads, valves, and other assorted problems. How about the 4WD systems? What about the foreign cars that rusted out like crazy? Can you answer that, Bubba? What about the underpowered "full-sized" T-100 trucks and their assorted problems? TOYota dropped that line like a hot potato.
The Tundra IS a sissy truck. How long do you think that that little thing would hold the 900+ pound snowplow that my Ford carries? I'll answer it for you, not at all. The Tundra may be fine for "hauling" groceries or spreading manure, that's it. There are ZERO foreign trucks here that are used for snowplowing. Like I said, a sissy truck.
I can assure you, that my degrees are in a much more technical field than your phantom degree. BTW, just to clarify things for you, I'm not referring to a farm field, nor am I referring to the temperature. You might just want to get a message to Hooked on Phonics, instead of using your phantom phone number. It's SUBSIDY, not subsity. Your head isn't out of anything either. It so far up something that you can't see the light of day. Keep on driving the TOYotas. You wear them well. Suffice it to say, your "education" was apparently wasted, or you just don't learn anything at Whatsamatta U.

 

How did this start out again?......Oh yeah! A race.
It seems to have turned into a "mastercraft loves TOYota" saga. Well mastercraft, you love TOYotas so much, you just keep right on buyin' em and you'll be happy. We'll keep on buying Fords and we'll be happy. You use your cabbage-patch truck in your cabbage patch and we'll use our trucks in our fields and farms and this'll all have a happy ending.
I wish I could find a tundra to race. Only one I know of belongs to a guy where I work and he's too wimpy to consider a friendly little romp off the line. (oh, for u safety freaks, on a secluded backroad devoid of any traffic for miles, of course) People here who need a truck that can work buy American. You just can't get any power in a jap truck.

Oh yeah, look at the front clip of the old T100's and compare it to the '89-'91 F-150. Same big rectangle headlights. Same overall features. Look at the tundra front clip and compare it to the '97-present F-150. Same shape headlight, same overall features. I guess the japs aren't too stupid. They tried to copy the best selling truck...in looks anyway.

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And another thing! hehehe

The comparison of the tundra against American trucks from 0-60 was the MUCH LIGHTER tundra with a 4.7 against the HEAVIER (true full-size)F-150 with the 4.6. They didn't bother to compare the tundra with THEIR big motor against the heavier Ford Chevy and Dodge with the bigger engine choices.

Waitaminit...OH YEAH! Tundra doesn't HAVE a big motor to compare! And here we are, thinking the tundra is a real truck. Guess they designed the tundra to just be a grocery-gettin', city-commutin', SUV-with-a-bed wanna-be.

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Amen. Well said.

Nicely worded.

 

Lets see, well here we go again with the name calling and stereotypes. Seems your beef is with the SC dude with the rebel flag on his truck. Civil War has been over for 136 years, we are still trying to tell South Carolina that.


Not us bro, Bubba? When you stop looking down your nose long enough to discuss facts, hit us back. Oh yeah, tipo, wait thats typo, just wanted to get one in right off cause i know how much it angers you.

Degrees? Why dont you take it and show Ford how to design a transmission that will hold up like an old C6? Or maybe a 5.4 that can actually stay together? Think you can lend them a hand, then we wont complain anymore, we promise!

Since you are obviously so much smarter than the rest of us, cause we are just cattle being led to slaughter by those anointed few like you who are smart enough to endow us with your pearls of knowledge from on high.

Second, we could not give a hoot in hell that your Ford carrys a snowplow, (uh, how many years in college do you have to study to use a snowplow? I think my dog could install a snowplow) like i said, there are not many uses for those down there. And I realize you would but the butt of all those jokes there in Michigan by buying something foreign, but for the rest of us that are tired of "Built Ford Tough" having to be bought back every 40,000 miles, we will stick with the big Yotas.

Somehow we are secure in our masculinity not to be worried our friends might see us in anther truck. And yes we still have NEW Fords as well, whether you believe it or not. I have 7800 miles on a 2001 right now. So far no problems, but then again after 2 months, who can tell?

Yeah I am old enough to remember the 60's and 70's (insert pias wink here) Jap crap in the 1980's? Go back and look at the chart in the new Consumer Reports about problems from 1980-2000. 1980's? When we were turning out front wheel drive Park Avenues, Tempos, 700r4's and the like? How much rent to you pay in Fantasyland?

Again since we get so much snow here, Rustproofing is always at the top of our shopping list.

Oh yeah, just noticed something, I dont remember seeing Ford open up a new Taurus plant last week, last month, last year, last 10 years, but Honda, Toyota, Mercedes, and Nissan are all building here and providing high paying jobs.

So I guess everyone who works for Chrysler should resign in protest? After all they work for the bad guys now. So according to your logic, anyone who owns a Chrysler is unamerican. While all you union guys are collecting $80 dollars an hour for putting hub cabs on a Chrysler, your company is burning. Ford is driving all their good technicians out of the dealers with the new warranty service pay. (again we suffer) So you can ride around plowing all the snow you like, cause its pretty deep the way you spread it bro, not the other way around

 

Drive your TOYotas, mr. farmer. Read and believe your bible, CONsumer Reports. Keep on spreading your BS. Chase the sheep around the back forty. You've found something that befits your lofty status.



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You know, I usually don't get into stupid debates like this one but here goes. When I first started looking for my first vehicle it was going to a Ford with at least a 6 cylinder. Why you ask, that is because all of the cars that I had seen. The 4 bangers couldn't hold up for the long haul. What I actually got for my first vehicle was a '87 F150, Reg Cab, Long box with the 300 I-6 and 4 speed manual. Other than the body in a few spots the truck had 305,000 kms (90,320 miles) on it when I sold it in 1998. That truck is still on the road today with some new body work. My sig. shows what I drive now. Currently G.M. is the biggest company right now and they have been producing trucks a few years less than Ford but for the last 35 years here in Canada where the snow blows and the cattle roam freely, Ford has been the best selling pickup by far. Oh, and that is a fact!! In fact, the figures state that Ford actually beats both GMC and Chevy added together and Dodge is barely in the picture. Personally, I think the "UGLIEST" vehicle to date is the Aztec made by Pontiac. I don't like the Tundra because it looks cheap and it also looks a lot like pieces of other trucks. It was said before, the front end sure looks like a Ford or atleast a good copy of one. The only reason the foreign vehicles are making such a big impact right now and for the past several years is because the fuel mileage and the cost of fuel. Personnal, I love my truck. I drive my truck because that is what "I" wanted and I don't care what anybody else thinks. A lot of my buddies are not Ford fans but I tell you, my Fords have move alot of their ***** in the past. When it comes to someone that I know wanting to buy a truck, here is what I tell them. Stay away from the large Dodge's and if you want a truck that will last then there is ONLY one choice and that is "True Blue Ford". If they don't like the Ford's then buy a Chevy but you choose a Dodge, I charge towing fees !! Yeap, every company have lousy days for building and yes, people that work in these plants makes mistakes. Which I am sure happened with radiator issues that Ford is currently having. You drive a Ford, you drive it for your reasons and no one elses. You have problems with Ford then you need to take it up with them and no one else. They built it, they will fix it or you take your business else where. Last thing, John Deere Rules. International tried to keep up and they had to join with Case. Together, they still could't produce a tractor that can compare to John Deere.

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am LMAO on this debate.

Oh BTW, I drive a 99 F150, but my weekend joyrider/racer is a chrysler/mitsubishi product. My fiancee has a honda and I work and off-road my best friends 85 Blazer all of the time. Every car company makes a car I would drive, but when it comes to a truck I decided to go with the Ford because I personally like it the best. SO WHO GIVES A CRAP IF SOMEBODY ELSE MAY ENJOY THE TOYOTA OVER THE FORD OR VICE VERSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh for the person who wrote the original post about the Tundra vs. F150 race, I would just like to say that I enjoyed your story.

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