'01 4.6L getting EGR code P0401

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 02:34 PM
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ok thats good then. vref is 5.04 from the front
and center back probed is .01-.02

nope just the 401 code
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumba
I do not know where that much voltage could be coming from. Your pcm should be smoking.

Are all of your vacuum lines still connected. Like the brake booster, the PCV, the one from the left valve cover to the intake under the throttle body?

So there are no lean codes.p0171 or 174.
vref is 5.04 and center pin back probed is .01-.02
only code is 401 and all vac lines connected
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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Ran the test a 2nd time and at idle 16-17 and rev to 20-21
What is your rpm at idle?
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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What is your rpm at idle?
700 AC on-750 AC off
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jackhammer144
700 AC on-750 AC off
Doesn't look like you have any vacuum leaks.

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Tumba;
Suck test complete w/engine off and valve functioning perfectly. Movement heard, no hissing. Maybe it's possible I thought I had cleaned out the egr ports and in actuality didn't?

Was there some loose carbon in the throttle body, or did you clean the whole thing?

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at idle 15.4v at rev up goes to 18-20v. This with the dpfe plugged into the tubes and obviously the electrical disconnected for test. + went to center of connector and - to frame ground.
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Ok Tumba... with back test complete, idle 17.2v at rev goes up to20.2v
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ok thats good then. vref is 5.04 from the front
and center back probed is .01-.02

nope just the 401 code
What was measured differently? When it measured .01-.02 was the engine running?
I'm confused.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumba
Doesn't look like you have any vacuum leaks.




Was there some loose carbon in the throttle body, or did you clean the whole thing?







What was measured differently? When it measured .01-.02 was the engine running?
I'm confused.
.01-.02 key on engine off
I thought I got everything out (carbon) I used a whole can of B12 and part of Deep Creep
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 04:13 PM
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If the diaphragm on the valve isn't leaking, and vacuum didn't change the engine rpm. The ports have to be stopped up.
You can buy stem at the parts store to actually push through the ports, to make sure they are well open.
It think I would take the valve off and check it visually before I took the throttle body off.
Some residue from the chemicals could have ruined it.

Sorry I'm not more help. These Ford systems are picky, I've had plenty of problems, and some people never have any. But going back to your original picture of where the DPFE was when you bought the truck, I'd say someone has had plenty problems with it.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 04:31 PM
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If the diaphragm on the valve isn't leaking, and vacuum didn't change the engine rpm. The ports have to be stopped up.
You can buy stem at the parts store to actually push through the ports, to make sure they are well open.
It think I would take the valve off and check it visually before I took the throttle body off.
Some residue from the chemicals could have ruined it.

Sorry I'm not more help. These Ford systems are picky, I've had plenty of problems, and some people never have any. But going back to your original picture of where the DPFE was when you bought the truck, I'd say someone has had plenty problems with it.
Well, since we bought the truck in 2004, the only engine part I have replaced other than the latest egr stuff was an IAC. Currently we have about 120XXX miles on it and other than this latest snafu... she's been running great.
I appreciate all your help Tumba as well as the other s as well.
jbrew and you have been very helpfull in finding out what the problem is not and educating me as well. All the diagrams and info are safely tucked away in my photo album for future use or assist to someone else.

This other cleaner you speak of, Stem, who is it made by? Is it a spray or a soaker or... what?
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 04:35 PM
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The stems are like pipe cleaners.

Also what I have learned here, has been from others, and some from Haynes. But the Haynes manual isn't very detailed on diagnostics.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumba
The stems are like pipe cleaners.

Also what I have learned here, has been from others, and some from Haynes. But the Haynes manual isn't very detailed on diagnostics.
AHHHH.... stems = pipe cleaners. Gotcha.
Well back to the drawing board. Maybe I can get some compressed air, spray some B12 in the egr ports, let it soak and blast the hell out of it with air thru the egr valve channel to the ports!! Blow that crap out of there!! YEAH BABY!!
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 05:55 PM
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AHHHH.... stems = pipe cleaners. Gotcha.
Well back to the drawing board. Maybe I can get some compressed air, spray some B12 in the egr ports, let it soak and blast the hell out of it with air thru the egr valve channel to the ports!! Blow that crap out of there!! YEAH BABY!!
That may not be the best idea, then the carbon has to go through the engine at the risk of damaging valves or scoring cylinder walls.
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 06:00 PM
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Yeah... I was thinking there had to be a down side to an easy way out...
 
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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Everytime!
 
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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jackhammer144
Ok Tumba... with back test complete, idle 17.2v at rev goes up to20.2v


When did you install the 24 volt system

Yea, somethings not right.

I think you should set the Haynes book down for a sec, -pretend it doesn't exist and start over lol. - Just think your confusing yourself, and me lol.

Follow the outline Tumba linked you to,- and compare. thumbsup:

 

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Old Aug 13, 2009 | 06:26 AM
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Scared me.
the last time I looked at a 24 volt system, there were no EGR's.
 
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