aww... complaining farmers got me to chuckle, sorry. Anyways you do have a very good point. And I will apologize for jumping to an assumption thinking you were backing that ethanol craze. I think that may be a very good point about driving "them" to come up with a better synthetic that we can readily make and is cheap.

 

No worries

I think ethanol has its place, but not to replace the current gasoline system we have now.

I remember when I was taking a course on ICEs, our professor (old old old egyptian dude) was telling us when gas hits the ~$5.00/gal synthetic fuels start to become cost effective. He didn't specify exactly what synthetics he was referring to, and since it wouldn't be on the exam, nobody pressed him any further about it

Hell, I'm all for tapping what we've got in Alaska!

 

They are only worried about new cars, they couldn't care less what the actual milage is of a older machine as long as it passes any required emission checks.

 

I think you guys somewhat missed my point in the veggie oils...

What I'm trying to say is that it is MUCH easier and SAFER to use vegetable oil than Ethanol... and not to mention there is NO refining... and it will work in ANY diesel engine! Basically, tomorrow if there was no more gas and diesel left at gas stations, Zaairman would be the only one traveling around... why? Veggie oil. The technology is already here. People just want to use gasoline engines. Just the reason to come out with E85.. my F150 can't run it... so what is the point?! I know... buy a new truck.

So, why aren't we running veggie instead of gas? Good question. With the amount of veggie oil produced per year, it is a very viable option. Technically, in 10 years from now, if there was a switch to diesel engines, we could get away from using fossil fuels entirely.

But with a little bit of work (a lot less work than with trying to come up with making gasoline out of corn), veggie oil can be the best solution with less cost.

 

I too am all for tapping into Alaska's oil ! and im over here on the west coast (they say we will suffer from ugly oil rigs and destroy our enviroment and blah blah blah!) Not to mention all of the posible black gold off of California's coast! We need some more oil rigs out here!! Lets start taking what we have instead of paying some [insert racist remark] f*ck to do it in their land. Looks like as long as we keep paying, and they keep getting rich, we will keep getting screwd right in the .....

 

The ultimate answer is hydrogen. However there's too many politics involved which will make it nearly impossible to facilitate, and it's so early in development that the cost factor is a big one..

 

Veggie oil = not best idea. I work on them bud. Every day. Bio-fuels are a GREAT idea but just pure veggie oil ? man your making yourself a chit load of trouble. You WILL have to convert your engine, fuel system, and a bunch more stuff. If you live in even kinda cold climates you will have to have a custom two tank system put in for optimal performance. The list just keeps going and going. Plus you kill your engine! Its just all around not a great idea. Bio-Fuels don't need ANY conversions, can run cold, and are super clean (compared to veggie) . (sorry its a VERY vague and quick response on the conversion and what not but Im sure you get the jist)

 

I Love my Truck and would never drive anything other than a ford truck.
But unfortunatly in the bahamas gas is now about $4.70 for super (which is rated just below regular gas in the us).
i will keep my truck for a few more years and just hope i dont go broke (i spend about $100-$150 a week)
im just lucky i dont earn the minimum/normal wage is $150 a week

 

You're George Walter Bush won't be around even close to then. However, keep "green Al Gore" as far away from office as possible, he'll have everyone riding bikes. I too worry because right after U S and A does something, Canada has to keep pace. This is a General Discussion topic!

 

how about using diesel to cook food instead of veggie oil

that would be pretty cool

 

Direct injection is the key. Honda has had it in production since 2003. You can run higher compression fro more power and have a finer control of fuel consumption. Can you grasp 65:1 A/F ratios.

JMC

 

I'm all for a nuclear powered F-150, with a 5.4 3v Reactor!.......

 

You're wrong, but then right. I just did a Hydrogen Term Paper for Physical Science class and I learned that the element hydrogen does NOT exist on earth. We have to "mine" it from water with electrolysis methods which are vagely expensive and only produce a very minimal amount of hydrogen. Also, hydrogen is an energy carrier like electricity not an energy producer like fuel. Even then, a hydrogen fuel cell will have to be at the minimum 5x larger than a gasoline tank to hold the same amount. ALSO....the vehicle is run on a motor (I know the British are going to disagree with me on this one, but by definition, a motor is an electrically operated machine while an engine is one run by internal combustion or other means) so basically your "motor" is getting power from an energy "carrier" in this huge-a$$ tank that is holding a very lethal substance (when mixed with an oxygen environment). An example of this is is if you puncture your fuel cell and hydrogen is mixed with O2 and a spark appears, your car is the next Hindenburg, but on a smaller scale. So let's hope the recdnecks don't go off-roading in their hyrodgen-powered "H-150's" (as I assume Ford will name them, pun intended)

-Alex


...getting ready for the 3 million posts to combat mine....

 

guys, they are just gonna do what they have been doing since the '70- make cars that are very efficient to bring the average up. the cars dont have to sell, they just have to be offered to consumers in the companies product linup.

 

Hydrogen, vegetable oil, diesel, ethanol, they're all WRONG.

Clean, efficient, inexpensive goat dung is the way I tell 'ya.

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