Most of those tests are fed and tweaked by Ford.

If you watch the ORIGINAL bed bounce video they compare the DC Tundra to the Crewcab 6.5ft bed f150, and the crewcab silverado. The silverado also had the z71 package on it which has different shocks... the Tundra was a base DC Tundra with no offroad packages. Yes there is alot of bed bounce there, but at the sametime your not comparing apples to apples. The Tundra frame is just fine, Toyota gave a rancher a Tundra and he used it as a 3/4 truck for 100,000 miles... at 100,000 miles Toyota did a complete tear down, let's just say the results speak for themselves. None of this run the engine for an equivalent amount of time crap.

In the video above they did a more even test, but it's still only really testing the shocks/leaf springs. If the bounce is any indicator of ability the tougher shocks are going to bounce the bed more. Just because a frame allows movement does not mean it's weaker.

 

Hoping these images come across. The first is my truck. Trip B odometer records my mileage from the time I received the truck, showing >23K miles at 18.5 mpg. The Trip A includes a mix of highway and mountain driving, including about 80 miles carrying a ton of wood pellets up the hill from Oregon (no sales tax), at 18.9. Open highway at posted speeds I get between 20-21.5mpg.

Bad news-- only the first picture is opening here. Good news-- you should be able to open the dashboard pics in a new window. If it doesn't work, let me know.


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Oh, you want an even frame test.... here ya go. You might want to bring some salt to accompany the twisting pretzel frame of the toyota. Yes, this is tundra's all new frame that they did NOT change with the next generation 2014+ trucks.

 

FORD TOUGH for sure, interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing that.

 

Again I'll say just because a frame flexes doesn't make it weak.

 

This has gotten a whole lot more interesting than just talking mileage. In an article posted in truckowners.com, there is an article comparing the Tundra and F150 head-to-head. As noted above, the frames the same as now. There are many positives to Tundra to be sure, and they were noted in the article, but the final assessment was (drum roll, please)...

"...from an engineering and usability point of view Ford shows why they've been the truck leader for so long. Capability and toughness are the hallmarks of the F-150 legacy."
(Copyright 2007 Ken Payne, All Rights Reserved.)

Here's the link: http://www.truckowners.com/content/3...-A-Closer-Look

 

ahh, but weaker engineering will lead to a poor product. The riveted C channel as descibed will lead to rust problems..maybe you remember the rusted frame fiasco with toyota a few years ago.
A stiffer frame provides a safer driving condition when carrying a load and will decrease the chance of body parts and accessories squeaking and becoming misaligned down the road. Just looking how the two frames differ definitely makes me proud to own a F150. I'll take an over engineered frame any day of the week. If the frame is that much better than toyota I know the rest of the truck is also

 

The f150 frame is the same frame that is in the Raptor.... which is weak and has problems. Just google raptor frame bend/alignment problems.

Crawl under the f150 and Tundra you'll be amazed at the sheer size of the steering components and suspension linkages. Perhaps I should crawl under the two trucks and take pictures and show ya what I'm talking about.

The Tundra frame no doubt had some rust issues in early releases, but as far as strength it's one of the tougher frames out there. Flexibility does not make it weak, it's when it can flex and not break that makes it strong. When the Tundra came out back in 2007 it was the best in class truck in all departments.... keep in mind your comparing a newly revamped f150/raptor to a Tundra that is going on 6 years and they didn't change the frame or engines for 2014 because quite frankly if it ain't broke.... don't fix it. There is a reason Ford used car values plummet quickly, it's because Ford constantly changes things. I love some of the new technology Ford has, but at what cost?

 

This is a forum for Ford Truck enthusiasts. Why do you feel the need to come here and brag about your truck and put down the Ford? Are you getting paid by Toyota?

Consumers drive the market. Fact, consumers are buying six Ford F150s to every one Toyota Tundra. And if you include trucks made by USA's Big 3, consumers are choosing 15 American made trucks (Ram, GMC, Chevy, Ford) to every one Toyota Tundra.

Toyota I'm sure makes a good truck. They're going to keep Ford and the American Big 3 on their toes. But I am tired of seeing my American dollars go overseas while the Japanese put up relentless entry barriers to American vehicles sold in Japan. I know you don't agree or understand this concept based on your comments from previous posts.

In a nice way, I'm asking you to leave this forum.

 

Actually it's quite the opposite, there are things I love about the Ford trucks... I have to admit the new Atlas concept looks amazing. And you say American made.... that's just misinformation, as 80% of the parts in the Tundra are made in the USA and assembled in the USA... I think last time I looked Ford's numbers are in the mid to high 60's. Yes some of the profit goes back to Japan, but one could argue Ford sends an extra 10-20% of their money making parts elsewhere in the world... so it goes both directions.

Consumers do drive the market, and I hope Ford picks their quality up because quite frankly I'd love to own one of the new Atlas trucks. Is my Tundra better quality and more reliable than the current Ford's? IMO yes it is, but I'm not so blind that if things change I wouldn't jump ship. The thing that amazes me about alot of Ford owners is they tend to shrug off issues on brand new trucks, or are perfectly okay taking their trucks to the shop. Now there is bad ones with every make, Tundra isn't perfect but at the moment from my experiences mine has been perfect to this day. It's a public forums, and last time I checked I can and will express my thoughts.

 

I'm glad you have had such a good run of luck with Toyota and as you said ALL manufacturers have bad vehicles. Too bad you can't seem to get over the fact that the F-150 you bought was one of the vehicles that didn't measure up. With two or three exceptions (Sync issues, the chair frame broke, and the rear end thunk) mine has been perfect. The only item of those three that was Ford's fault was the rear end. Sync is a Microsoft product and the chair frame was a subcontractor. I keep my trucks a long time, so having a truck that flexes the frame I know will eventually lead to failure. Hopefully it won't be on my time. Go back to your Toyota fan boy forums and leave this one alone since you seem to hate Ford so much.

 

Clearly you don't have the brains to comprehend that a frame that flexes is not weak and will not "lead" to failure. A frame that cannot flex eventually will lead to broken welds, thus the integrity of the vehicle decreases the longer you own it, quicker I might add than a frame that has some flex in it to allow versatility.

You just stated you had 3 different issues on your truck, yet your fine with spending all that money on it. Point proven.

 

What are you talking about??? It "AMAZES" you that Ford owners shrug off issues with there brand new trucks and are perfectly ok taking it to the shop? What the hell are you suppose to do if you have a problem with a new truck? So what would a ego inflated Tundra owner like yourself do when there is a problem with your new truck??? All i know is there is a reason why the F series is the #1 selling truck and your Tonka toy might be perfect for now but just don't work it to hard otherwise I'm sure things would change.

P.S. I have owned my truck over 1/1/2 yrs now towing our 7500lb travel trailer. I can also say from my "experiences" mine has been perfect to this day

 

 

Mine has been trouble free for the 23.5months I have owned it. So they are not all bad.


If F150s have a few more issues than Tundras it shouldn't be a big surprise. Ford went out on a limb with 4 new engines in 2011. The Tundra has been running the same platform for nearly 7 years. They should have the bugs worked out by now on that outdated truck. Apparently the Tundra is getting a facelift in 2014 which will make it uglier than it already is. But no major engine/drivetrain changes. I'm not sure if they still have tailgates as durable as tinfoil?