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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
BTW...I just wanted to say hi from Chicago and said my condolences to the conservatives on here!

Four more years of Obama!!!

Two more years and we will send the GOP house packing!!!
Judging by the downhill speed we are traveling at, what makes you think that Obama can hold it together for 2 more years?

My advise is to learn to speak Russian or Arabic, it may serve you well in the near future.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jgger
My advise is to learn to speak Russian or Arabic, it may serve you well in the near future.
I'm going with Mandarin lessons for my kids, in addition to their Spanish.

Boy, they are going to be po'd when they realize how deep in debt they are.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
I'm going with Mandarin lessons for my kids, in addition to their Spanish.

Boy, they are going to be po'd when they realize how deep in debt they are.
I agree with you on the debt but Obama didn't start the debt and Romney would not have ended it. The debt spiral started with Reagan and has continued with 2 Bushes, Clinton and Obama.

Cuts need to be made wisely and some of the wealthier are going to have to pay more to get this thing under control.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
I agree with you on the debt but Obama didn't start the debt and Romney would not have ended it. The debt spiral started with Reagan and has continued with 2 Bushes, Clinton and Obama.

Cuts need to be made wisely and some of the wealthier are going to have to pay more to get this thing under control.
And you think that's going to happen with a president that has spent more in 4 years than Bush did in 8?

Even if you taxed the wealthy 100% of their pay, it only accounts to running the gov't for 2 months. The money isn't there. Quit repeating the democratic talking points about "the wealthy need to pay their fair share" and do some number crunching.

Jealousy of the rich gets one nowhere.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JackandJanet
I didn't say that, but senior class projects in the College of Engineering at the University of Arizona repeatedly show businesses, both large and small how they can improve their productivity and increase their bottom line. Those businesses are uniformly grateful in their response for this help. I'm sure the Industrial Engineering department at Georgia Tech has similar "outreach" capabilities. Why don't you investigate this? It doesn't have to cost you a dime and you'll have a non-prejudiced, outside look at your operation - from a top-tier university!

And Frank, I know nothing about your business, because I don't know what it is. I asked once, but you declined to respond. I sort of got the feeling you might be ashamed of it. Maybe that's the problem - you're too shy to promote it properly!

- Jack
I never saw that you asked what business I own. It's in my profile, and I have over 50 employees, so Obamacare compliance affects my margin.

Once America comes fully to terms with Obamacare after it is fully implemented in February or March of 2014 and it's costs, most Americans are going to have serious buyer's remorse. Heck, my parents are retired and their insurance has increased 4 times in the last 18 months for "costs associated with compliance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act".

Every business has to maintain their margins to stay profitable and in business. Insurance companies are no different, and their margins are tighter than mine.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SSCULLY
OK, so it is advice and approaches, nothing about implemented as the class project specified.

Raytheon is based in MA, so I don't know how much autonomy the AZ location has to implemented changes local without direction.
Could be a volunteer / intern tax credit for all I know, where they work with several universities and get input and see if any of it would work.
All the while helping out undergrads.

Still go back to what does a undergrad ( or graduate degree ) student know about business in the real world ?

To the end of "working smarter", don't know how this is done on a construction site to the tune of getting 30% more out of employees to cover mandated expenses.
Mom's work just got under the employee requirements, and canceled the ins plan.
- It went up big time since the passing of the health care bill. They gave the employees what the company's share was towards it in the paycheck, and told them obtain it external ( state insurance exchange ).
100% correct SScully.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 03:34 AM
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Frank,

Do you think that spending more on defense and wars is going to cut the debt?

I certainly don't think taxing the wealthy at 100% will fix it. Do you think eliminating Social Security and Medicare that we all paid into will fix all?

I would replace Obamacare with a true universal healthcare program based on Medicare. It would take healthcare off business' back and encourage entrepreneurship as people won't be afraid to leave their job for fear of losing their medical care. Grow the pie! Bring jobs home.

Overall the Republicans are responsible for $10 trillion of the $16 trillion on the books. Not exactly fiscally responsible huh?
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
Frank,

Do you think that spending more on defense and wars is going to cut the debt?

I certainly don't think taxing the wealthy at 100% will fix it. Do you think eliminating Social Security and Medicare that we all paid into will fix all?

I would replace Obamacare with a true universal healthcare program based on Medicare. It would take healthcare off business' back and encourage entrepreneurship as people won't be afraid to leave their job for fear of losing their medical care. Grow the pie! Bring jobs home.

Overall the Republicans are responsible for $10 trillion of the $16 trillion on the books. Not exactly fiscally responsible huh?
More lies. Republicans are responsible for about 6 of that 16. All debt is bad, but your boy is on course to have our nat'l debt over 20,000,000,000,000 dollars by the time he leaves office. No one is talking about eliminating medicare and SS. That's all scare tactics that the brainwashed masses have bought into being sold by Obama. And unfortunately, just enough of them bought into it.

As for military spending, why doesn't Obama send the troops home tomorrow? He has the power to do it. All of them from the Middle East including his pet projects in Northern Africa. His draw down was the same as Bush's. Additionally, some military spending is necessary. I could be a knee-jerker and say that liberals want to eliminate the military, but that would be a lie. We are already under 290 ships in the Navy and declining. Same goes for the other 3 branches.

Obamacare should be replaced alright. With nothing. No one should be required to pay for someone else' healthcare under threat of imprisonment just because they are too lazy to work another job. When I had cancer over a decade ago, I worked extra hours to pay off my surgery/radiation debt.

Like I said, jealousy of the rich will only take us down a road of buyer's remorse. The "free stuff" crowd is compromising our children's future by saddling them with a crushing nat'l debt.

It's past time people stopped voting for what is best for their own personal interests and voted for what is best for the long-term health of the country. But like I said, the free stuff crowd has been empowered by a man who thinks he is Robin Hood.
 

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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by K-Mac Attack
Cuts need to be made wisely and some of the wealthier are going to have to pay more to get this thing under control.
Since those "wise" cuts that were promised for the first four years weren't delivered, that means they need to be a little less wise and much more dramatic. We are a sinking ship that someone just cut a hole in the side of to help the people out. Unfortunately that hole was below the water line and is making the situation worse.

This is what the people want, so give it to them. Screw it, I done resisting. Where can I gets my free phone. They got a better plan than I's payin' fo'.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 07:29 AM
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This country just gave itself the finger. We now have a Muslim dictator.
that's not exactly being patriotic.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 09:49 AM
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Holy crap, where have I been?!

Originally Posted by JackandJanet
Just to add to the whole pointless clutter of the discussions in this forum, here are my fearless predictions for the (soon to be over) election:
1. Obama will win reelection.
2. The Democratic party will retain a narrow majority in the Senate.
3. The Republican party will retain a majority in the House, but the Democratic party will pick up a small number of seats.
4. Freedom of Religion will survive in this Country, despite what Paul Ryan asserts.
Now, if I'm wrong on any of this, feel free to point it out - endlessly!

- Jack
Hard to beat the accuracy of your prediction, Jack. So far, it appears that even #4 is still in tact. Of course, it's still early...

The rest of the thread (predictions, etc) is quite comical.

Originally Posted by Frank S
There's where you're wrong again, Jack. For my employee's sake. Because if Obamacare is fully implemented, I'll have to let more people go in the next 2-3 years.
Originally Posted by JackandJanet
It's good that you'll have an excuse.

- Jack
Sounded like an excuse to me, Jack. Additionally, I see where you mentioned that you'd asked Frank what his business is, but he never answered. I guess that's the standard republican response when asked about their business...or tax plan...


Originally Posted by Raoul
Revenge is all we got.
We're bitterly clinging to our contraceptives and our bong pipes.
Originally Posted by Raoul
Voter intimidation is real.
Just got back from a heavily Conservative precinct.
They confiscated my contraceptives and my bong pipe before they would let me in the booth.

I am willing to risk going into a booth and voting without a contraceptive but,
without my bong pipe? Seriously?

I WILL NOT be voting there again today!
Jeez, Raoul...I nearly soil't meseff when I read your posts here. Thankee fer the laughs, sir!

Originally Posted by SSCULLY
Guess working smarter is cracking the whip to get employees to turn out 9 hours of work in 6.5 hours ???
That's the way it's done where I work. What? Isn't that the new corporate way?

However, it's been that way here since Bush was President so I guess not ALL the blame for that can be placed on Obama, huh?

Originally Posted by jgger
My prediction......Romney wins in a landslide, then in 2016 Jack and Raoul head up the Dem ticket!
I back Jack...and Raoul, too!

Originally Posted by aussiekeeper
We now have a Muslim dictator.
Linky?
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 1depd
Where can I gets my free phone. They got a better plan than I's payin' fo'.
Boy, this sounds...well...you know how it sounds...

A common infirmity with "the right" crowd, methinks.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 10:33 AM
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I was struck by the contrast between the crowd at election headquarters in Chicago and the one in Boston. I think it says a lot about why Romney lost the election.

In Chicago, there was an obvious mix of white and brown faces. I honestly did not see a single dark skinned person in Boston. Surely there were SOME there, but if they were, they were well-hidden.

My point is this: I don't think the GOP has figured out how to reach the rising populations of African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and Asian-Americans. They have not caught on to the fact that the Anglo-Americans (I'm one of those, by the way) are fast headed toward a "Minority-Majority" status. Anglos have position and power in this country that is disproportionate to their numbers. What's more, many Anglos embrace social processes that are designed to maintain that privileged position. It cannot go on forever. Unless the GOP comes to grips with the demographic facts of life, they will lose again and again.

Please understand, I am not accusing anyone of being "racist", but it's important to recognize that we ALL have prejudices, and that we "own" them, so that we can begin to work through them. One way to do this is to learn and respect what is important to people who's culture is different from our own. And maybe, just maybe, learn to appreciate those traits as much as we expect other cultures to embrace and respect ours.

- Jack
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DewserB
...<snip>....Additionally, I see where you mentioned that you'd asked Frank what his business is, but he never answered. I guess that's the standard republican response when asked about their business...or tax plan......<snip>....
Frank has said several times on here what he does for a living.
It is not like Frank and I are friends, and I spend time on his front porch chatting with him.

Rather than go to the "standard republican response" line, maybe think he missed the question ?
- You posted it yourself, where have I been? You missed a bit right ? Think Frank deserves the same ? Nope right to the GOP bashing....

Originally Posted by DewserB
...<snip>....That's the way it's done where I work. What? Isn't that the new corporate way?

However, it's been that way here since Bush was President so I guess not ALL the blame for that can be placed on Obama, huh?
Hate to burst your bubble, but this has been going on since the stone ages.
Isn't this one of the theories on how the pyramids were built ?

Look to US history, same was done back in the late 1800s and early 1900s.
- If you think back to the cause of the Labor laws introduced with the new deal, based upon what happened in NYC at the non-union company ( the introduction of current day labor laws from NYC ) Bush was not president then. Neither was his Dad ( if you are referring to Geo W not Geo H ).
 
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Old Nov 7, 2012 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 1depd
This is what the people want, so give it to them. Screw it, I done resisting. Where can I gets my free phone. They got a better plan than I's payin' fo'.
As long as it is an Samsung Galaxy SIII, I guess I am in. I don't want a crapple phone.
 
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