Whipple Superchargers impress me!! Jim@JDM
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From: College Station, Texas
Originally Posted by Jim@JDM
Jim,
I hope you don't read this before you eat Thanksgiving dinner because you might choke on your Turkey leg.
Your dyno numbers have never turned in to ET's in the quarter mile.
Where our dyno numbers might be lower than yours but we win Championships and we have the fastest and most reliable Whipple Powered JDM Tuned vehicles out there.
For the Lightning trucks I am sure you can find someone around my area with a 2.6 Lightning, that is willing to race me with my 2.3 Whipple.
Jim@JDM
I hope you don't read this before you eat Thanksgiving dinner because you might choke on your Turkey leg.
Your dyno numbers have never turned in to ET's in the quarter mile.
Where our dyno numbers might be lower than yours but we win Championships and we have the fastest and most reliable Whipple Powered JDM Tuned vehicles out there.
For the Lightning trucks I am sure you can find someone around my area with a 2.6 Lightning, that is willing to race me with my 2.3 Whipple.
Jim@JDM
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by KBELL
5) 70 HP? All your fast trucks? Your trucks didn't do all the well against the Kenne Bell supercharged trucks in that "Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Shootout", did they? They sure weren't .2 - .3 faster at that shootout were they? According to the magazine, Johnny Lightning and all the racers who were there say the only truck to run in the 9's was a Kenne Bell 2.3. Sooner or later everyone will come to grips with the fact that you are a vendor just like KB, Whipple etc. and your agenda is - to push any product other than KB that you can make a $ on. That does not give you any sacred right to bash KB in an attempt to convince enthusiasts that our product is flawed or inferior. Instead emphasize your product features
at the MM&FF shoot the fastest Kb was:
lighter
Larger engine displacement (335 vs 331)
most likely running 19+ psi of boost vs only 17-18 with the whipple
and most importantly the kb truck was running twice the amount of nitrous than the whipple truck (150 shot vs 75 shot)
i don't know about you but based on those the KB truck with it's supposively "more horsepower than whipple powered trucks" should be A LOT faster than .2 with all the additional power adders it has
don't call me a cheerleader for jdm either. i own nothing from them except headers, i let them and vinnie borrow my whipple, they destroyed my midplate and blew up my red 99 4 years ago with one of their awesome tunes
however as far as performance and reliability they are at the top
Will
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Originally Posted by Spanky99L
lets see
at the MM&FF shoot the fastest Kb was:
lighter
Larger engine displacement (335 vs 331)
most likely running 19+ psi of boost vs only 17-18 with the whipple
and most importantly the kb truck was running twice the amount of nitrous than the whipple truck (150 shot vs 75 shot)
i don't know about you but based on those the KB truck with it's supposively "more horsepower than whipple powered trucks" should be A LOT faster than .2 with all the additional power adders it has
don't call me a cheerleader for jdm either. i own nothing from them except headers, i let them and vinnie borrow my whipple, they destroyed my midplate and blew up my red 99 4 years ago with one of their awesome tunes
however as far as performance and reliability they are at the top
Will
at the MM&FF shoot the fastest Kb was:
lighter
Larger engine displacement (335 vs 331)
most likely running 19+ psi of boost vs only 17-18 with the whipple
and most importantly the kb truck was running twice the amount of nitrous than the whipple truck (150 shot vs 75 shot)
i don't know about you but based on those the KB truck with it's supposively "more horsepower than whipple powered trucks" should be A LOT faster than .2 with all the additional power adders it has
don't call me a cheerleader for jdm either. i own nothing from them except headers, i let them and vinnie borrow my whipple, they destroyed my midplate and blew up my red 99 4 years ago with one of their awesome tunes
however as far as performance and reliability they are at the top
Will
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From: The 5th Ring of Hell, AZ.
Before I address the inaccurate comments noted in this thread, I would like to first say this. Jim came to AZ for our FFW event at the end of October. He sponsored the Tough Truck class as he pointed out in his prior post. I have had several dealings with JDM over the years and have nothing but great things to say about their products and customer service I received. The icing on the cake was at FFW. We had our Lightning club there along with 2 of our local tuners as well as friends that we hang out with that have Cobra's, Mustangs etc. First thing on Friday while we were still setting up our pits Jim came over and introduced himself. He offered his help however we needed it for the weekend and hung out with us for a while shooting the breeze. On Saturday morning he came to us and offered to take our entire club to dinner at Hooters that night on him. We spent a lot of time with him and Paul and had an absolute blast all weekend long with him. Jim presented a trophy for Best Appearing Truck at dinner Saturday night which I was the lucky recepient of. We talked about racing, family, his new facility in Texas etc, but not once did he talk bad about another vendor or their products, and not once did he try and sell us anything. I got to tell you, I was very impressed by his professionalism and the character he displayed all weekend long. Jim ended up winning his class in his Mustang and Paul ended up with the win in Tough Truck.
Jim Bell I've only spoken with a couple of times on the phone years ago when I owned a Cobra. Since then I have purchased 3 KB's from his company and have had excellent experiences dealing with his staff. I've never met him in person but from what I know dealing with his company, I've been very pleased.
Dante' was mentioned in an earlier post, and I want to go on record right now that he has been awesome to deal with. I have a built DMP motor, race trans and coil over front suspension from him and he has always gone above and beyond for me. I would trust him with anything I own, bottom line.
Tim Skelton- incredible guy. I've never had the pleasure to meet him, but when my first built motor was blown up on the dyno I made a call to him for his help with legal advice and he was quick to respond. Although I ended up not needing to persue legal proceedings, I was very impressed with his willingness to assist me any way he could. I have learned a lot with his posts, but his character of helping a fellow L owner was very appreciated.
My point is, there are a lot of great people on these forums. Both vendors and car/truck owners. I've had the pleasure of dealing or meeting many and I just don't understand the need to get in to pissing contests unless someone posts lies or intentionally tries to flame some one just for the sake of it. If it's justified then I've always been of the nature to accomodate the transgressor. Case in point.......
Jim Bell I've only spoken with a couple of times on the phone years ago when I owned a Cobra. Since then I have purchased 3 KB's from his company and have had excellent experiences dealing with his staff. I've never met him in person but from what I know dealing with his company, I've been very pleased.
Dante' was mentioned in an earlier post, and I want to go on record right now that he has been awesome to deal with. I have a built DMP motor, race trans and coil over front suspension from him and he has always gone above and beyond for me. I would trust him with anything I own, bottom line.
Tim Skelton- incredible guy. I've never had the pleasure to meet him, but when my first built motor was blown up on the dyno I made a call to him for his help with legal advice and he was quick to respond. Although I ended up not needing to persue legal proceedings, I was very impressed with his willingness to assist me any way he could. I have learned a lot with his posts, but his character of helping a fellow L owner was very appreciated.
My point is, there are a lot of great people on these forums. Both vendors and car/truck owners. I've had the pleasure of dealing or meeting many and I just don't understand the need to get in to pissing contests unless someone posts lies or intentionally tries to flame some one just for the sake of it. If it's justified then I've always been of the nature to accomodate the transgressor. Case in point.......
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Now, what I came on here to post:
You are obviously either misinformed or intentionally trying to stir ****. But we can get to the **** stirring later. I've done my best to stay out of thread wars over the years but when it comes to shooting down a vendor based on inaccurate information I can't let it go. I own a KB 2.6h, I was (to my knowledge) the second retail customer to get one. Mine locked up....not sure if you were referencing me in your post about your knowledge of 3 Dante' customer trucks that had this problem or not, but I'm assuming you don't know about mine because I don't know you from Adam and have never spoken with you in the past. So your claims of knowledge are wrong. None the less, KB warrantied my s/c. And might I add quickly and without hesitation. I was informed that they had 2 others that had seized and were very curious to get mine back so they could find out why it failed. The result, the boost actuator stuck closed. I had already informed them that that was the culprit on my unit and they verified it. The other two, same problem. Now I'm no rocket scientist but I don't believe KB makes the boost actuator used on the 2.6. I had a recall on both of my Lightnings for a cruise control problem....it didn't make the whole unit a piece of crap now did it? Whipples, KB's, Magnum whatever! It's a personal choice. But I'm not going to stand by and have you talk such crap about KB when you obviously don't have the facts. They warrantied my s/c, replaced it quickly and were nothing but courteous and professional with me. So Point #1, you are absolutely wrong.
I don't need to go in to much explaination here again........I'm not here to start crap, I'm here to defend the truth. And you sir, are a liar. You don't know what you're talking about. And your claim to fame of 11.70, I'm not impressed at all. I ran 11.58 at 14* of timing at 15#'s of boost at a DA of 3250'. Not something that you have to contend with. Here in AZ, we have to contend with it and we constantly get our time slips compared to you guys running at or below sea level DA's. Not very prudent on your behalf but none the less we deal with it. My built Dante' motor (and let me warn you now about talking any crap about him) on 19#'s of boost and 14* of timing w/o the giggle turned on put down 686hp and 767tq. Not to bad I'd say for a crippled KB huh? Point number 2- you still don't have your facts straight.
Well here I am! And I'm talking about it...so Point #3- never assume you know what others will do. And while I'm at it, Point #4 (refer to Point 3 on this) you assume I bought it at a very special cost...practically free. I have a receipt for $3560 shipped to my door. Would you like to see the receipt? And why don't you come to AZ and race here hot rod? You want to see what your truck does dealing with the heat and high elevations?
In finishing, I'm disappointed by the bashing of vendors. Each of them provide a service to us that we all can benefit from. I've bought stuff from practically every one of them. I have my favorites as you do, let's leave it at that. Both the Whipple and the KB are impressive units. Which is better? Which ever one you choose.
Originally Posted by Hostile03SVT
all i hear are horror stories about how KB didnt warranty locked up blowers.. guess what the 2.6 blowers that i know locked up, the upper pulley was never changed and the lower was being ran on an 8#.. KB denied them warranty repair, one KB locked up on an electric driven motor(bench dyno) that reads RPMs.. when those blowers were presented to KB they shot them down.. i would never want to spend the money we do on modifying our trucks and then buy something that is sold with a BS warranty and customer service..
Originally Posted by Hostile03SVT
yea im the fool... im running 11.70 stock motor 14psi 14deg timing and a slipping transmission.. oh yea and that was on a street tune with 93 octane... im sure your tune was jacked up on race fuel/race tune and no mechanical issues... im sayin BS warranty because KB would not warranty the 2.6's that locked up.. so yea i know what im talking about and if you are going to come on here and start crap then you need to shut up.. later
Originally Posted by Hostile03SVT
thats cool the guys that have the locked up 2.6s i doubt will do (your referencing coming on here to talk about the problem) to the fact that these were being done to test them out and givin to them from KB at a very soecial cost..practically free.. so i dont think you will be seing them... i know you were at SSOTN and you were running your GN.. i was going to go but cant run without a transmission now can i?? i thought you got rid of your L anyway?? go get your L and come to Jersey see you in the Spring..
In finishing, I'm disappointed by the bashing of vendors. Each of them provide a service to us that we all can benefit from. I've bought stuff from practically every one of them. I have my favorites as you do, let's leave it at that. Both the Whipple and the KB are impressive units. Which is better? Which ever one you choose.
Happy Turkey Day fella's
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Originally Posted by cardealr
The result, the boost actuator stuck closed. I had already informed them that that was the culprit on my unit and they verified it. The other two, same problem. Now I'm no rocket scientist but I don't believe KB makes the boost actuator used on the 2.6. I had a recall on both of my Lightnings for a cruise control problem....it didn't make the whole unit a piece of crap now did it?
As for warranty, I hope the covered shipping both ways for the defective part.-Mark
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Originally Posted by cardealr
Now, what I came on here to post:
You are obviously either misinformed or intentionally trying to stir ****. But we can get to the **** stirring later. I've done my best to stay out of thread wars over the years but when it comes to shooting down a vendor based on inaccurate information I can't let it go. I own a KB 2.6h, I was (to my knowledge) the second retail customer to get one. Mine locked up....not sure if you were referencing me in your post about your knowledge of 3 Dante' customer trucks that had this problem or not, but I'm assuming you don't know about mine because I don't know you from Adam and have never spoken with you in the past. So your claims of knowledge are wrong. None the less, KB warrantied my s/c. And might I add quickly and without hesitation. I was informed that they had 2 others that had seized and were very curious to get mine back so they could find out why it failed. The result, the boost actuator stuck closed. I had already informed them that that was the culprit on my unit and they verified it. The other two, same problem. Now I'm no rocket scientist but I don't believe KB makes the boost actuator used on the 2.6. I had a recall on both of my Lightnings for a cruise control problem....it didn't make the whole unit a piece of crap now did it? Whipples, KB's, Magnum whatever! It's a personal choice. But I'm not going to stand by and have you talk such crap about KB when you obviously don't have the facts. They warrantied my s/c, replaced it quickly and were nothing but courteous and professional with me. So Point #1, you are absolutely wrong.
I don't need to go in to much explaination here again........I'm not here to start crap, I'm here to defend the truth. And you sir, are a liar. You don't know what you're talking about. And your claim to fame of 11.70, I'm not impressed at all. I ran 11.58 at 14* of timing at 15#'s of boost at a DA of 3250'. Not something that you have to contend with. Here in AZ, we have to contend with it and we constantly get our time slips compared to you guys running at or below sea level DA's. Not very prudent on your behalf but none the less we deal with it. My built Dante' motor (and let me warn you now about talking any crap about him) on 19#'s of boost and 14* of timing w/o the giggle turned on put down 686hp and 767tq. Not to bad I'd say for a crippled KB huh? Point number 2- you still don't have your facts straight.
Well here I am! And I'm talking about it...so Point #3- never assume you know what others will do. And while I'm at it, Point #4 (refer to Point 3 on this) you assume I bought it at a very special cost...practically free. I have a receipt for $3560 shipped to my door. Would you like to see the receipt? And why don't you come to AZ and race here hot rod? You want to see what your truck does dealing with the heat and high elevations?
In finishing, I'm disappointed by the bashing of vendors. Each of them provide a service to us that we all can benefit from. I've bought stuff from practically every one of them. I have my favorites as you do, let's leave it at that. Both the Whipple and the KB are impressive units. Which is better? Which ever one you choose.
You are obviously either misinformed or intentionally trying to stir ****. But we can get to the **** stirring later. I've done my best to stay out of thread wars over the years but when it comes to shooting down a vendor based on inaccurate information I can't let it go. I own a KB 2.6h, I was (to my knowledge) the second retail customer to get one. Mine locked up....not sure if you were referencing me in your post about your knowledge of 3 Dante' customer trucks that had this problem or not, but I'm assuming you don't know about mine because I don't know you from Adam and have never spoken with you in the past. So your claims of knowledge are wrong. None the less, KB warrantied my s/c. And might I add quickly and without hesitation. I was informed that they had 2 others that had seized and were very curious to get mine back so they could find out why it failed. The result, the boost actuator stuck closed. I had already informed them that that was the culprit on my unit and they verified it. The other two, same problem. Now I'm no rocket scientist but I don't believe KB makes the boost actuator used on the 2.6. I had a recall on both of my Lightnings for a cruise control problem....it didn't make the whole unit a piece of crap now did it? Whipples, KB's, Magnum whatever! It's a personal choice. But I'm not going to stand by and have you talk such crap about KB when you obviously don't have the facts. They warrantied my s/c, replaced it quickly and were nothing but courteous and professional with me. So Point #1, you are absolutely wrong.
I don't need to go in to much explaination here again........I'm not here to start crap, I'm here to defend the truth. And you sir, are a liar. You don't know what you're talking about. And your claim to fame of 11.70, I'm not impressed at all. I ran 11.58 at 14* of timing at 15#'s of boost at a DA of 3250'. Not something that you have to contend with. Here in AZ, we have to contend with it and we constantly get our time slips compared to you guys running at or below sea level DA's. Not very prudent on your behalf but none the less we deal with it. My built Dante' motor (and let me warn you now about talking any crap about him) on 19#'s of boost and 14* of timing w/o the giggle turned on put down 686hp and 767tq. Not to bad I'd say for a crippled KB huh? Point number 2- you still don't have your facts straight.
Well here I am! And I'm talking about it...so Point #3- never assume you know what others will do. And while I'm at it, Point #4 (refer to Point 3 on this) you assume I bought it at a very special cost...practically free. I have a receipt for $3560 shipped to my door. Would you like to see the receipt? And why don't you come to AZ and race here hot rod? You want to see what your truck does dealing with the heat and high elevations?
In finishing, I'm disappointed by the bashing of vendors. Each of them provide a service to us that we all can benefit from. I've bought stuff from practically every one of them. I have my favorites as you do, let's leave it at that. Both the Whipple and the KB are impressive units. Which is better? Which ever one you choose.
dude i dont know what bug crawled up your a s s on thanksgiving but i guess you obviously have no life and are looking to come stir the pot some more on a holiday... YOU, are obviously none of the 3 people that i know, so YOU were apparently a lucky customer.. I am not coming here to bash KB other then simply stating facts that i know of!
as far Bashing Dante, i have never done that at all, and nor do i plan on Bashing the man.. a couple of my buddies deal with him out in Cali. and have directed me towards him for help in the past and present..
as for my 11.70.... i am on a stock block, mister built block... i did that with a dead transmission.. use your brain,(if you have one) and think of what i wouldve ran with a good transmission.. you have worked suspension on your truck, i have all stock suspension and the truck is lowered 2"and 4" "mister coil-over".. now your making 686hp and 767tq, on a built motor.. im making 540hp and 602tq stock block stock heads, with a whipple using a 3.375 upper and a 4# lower... and YOU only ran an 11.58??? thats nothing to brag about.. your truck is obviously lighter with the front suspension.. you have a race transmission in your truck and im sure drag shocks and so on.. i do not have spray in my truck.. i ran 11.70 and an 11.77 back to back at JDM day.. if YOU dont believe it and your callin me a LIAR then maybe,
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Jim Jr. can post the video from JDM day....
and that was at no special race weight or anything i run it like i drive it on the street, i hit the scale at Raceway Park at 4684 pounds with me in it... now next year i will run the same weight and more in the tune and more boost and shoot for a stock block 10 second run..
by the way JDM Does not Tune my truck either.. i do purchase parts from them... Jim and his crew are a great bunch of guys.. as for comin to Arizona i think not.. i live in NJ and dont plan on traveling out of state.. be realistic with your challenge Top Gun..
have a happy thanksgiving dont choke on anything...
and that was at no special race weight or anything i run it like i drive it on the street, i hit the scale at Raceway Park at 4684 pounds with me in it... now next year i will run the same weight and more in the tune and more boost and shoot for a stock block 10 second run..
by the way JDM Does not Tune my truck either.. i do purchase parts from them... Jim and his crew are a great bunch of guys.. as for comin to Arizona i think not.. i live in NJ and dont plan on traveling out of state.. be realistic with your challenge Top Gun..
have a happy thanksgiving dont choke on anything...
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Originally Posted by Jim@JDM
Jim,
Stop your mud slinging and put your money were your mouth is.
I will race Adam again, with his 700HP 2.6. We can meet half way.
That is for the Mustangs .
For the Lightning trucks I am sure you can find someone around my area with a 2.6 Lightning, that is willing to race me with my 2.3 Whipple.
Jim@JDM
Stop your mud slinging and put your money were your mouth is.
I will race Adam again, with his 700HP 2.6. We can meet half way.
That is for the Mustangs .
For the Lightning trucks I am sure you can find someone around my area with a 2.6 Lightning, that is willing to race me with my 2.3 Whipple.
Jim@JDM
Well lets see now who has *****! KBELL.. pony up....
And everyone else... instead of bitching... go race and prove Jim wrong!
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Originally Posted by Hostile03SVT
ill pass on runnin the GN thanks for the offer though, i heard it was a sick ride .. you should go get another Lightning, before you know it your gonna end up like Rob and everyone else that got rid of theres and eventually im sure youll be itching to buy another one.. if you do ever get another one i wouldnt mind linin up with ya
.. you should go get another Lightning, before you know it your gonna end up like Rob and everyone else that got rid of theres and eventually im sure youll be itching to buy another one.. if you do ever get another one i wouldnt mind linin up with yaIf I sell my Range Rover I might take ya up on the last offer.
-Mat-
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Originally Posted by SVT F15O
Eh, the GN is slow!
If I sell my Range Rover I might take ya up on the last offer. -Mat-
If I sell my Range Rover I might take ya up on the last offer.
-Mat- .. my offer will stand even if you get a stronger L then mine.. i dont care if i win or lose i race for the fun... happy thanksgiving Mat...
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Originally Posted by Hostile03SVT
Jim Jr. can post the video from JDM day....
and that was at no special race weight or anything i run it like i drive it on the street, i hit the scale at Raceway Park at 4684 pounds with me in it... now next year i will run the same weight and more in the tune and more boost and shoot for a stock block 10 second run..
by the way JDM Does not Tune my truck either.. i do purchase parts from them... Jim and his crew are a great bunch of guys.. as for comin to Arizona i think not.. i live in NJ and dont plan on traveling out of state.. be realistic with your challenge Top Gun..
have a happy thanksgiving dont choke on anything...
and that was at no special race weight or anything i run it like i drive it on the street, i hit the scale at Raceway Park at 4684 pounds with me in it... now next year i will run the same weight and more in the tune and more boost and shoot for a stock block 10 second run..
by the way JDM Does not Tune my truck either.. i do purchase parts from them... Jim and his crew are a great bunch of guys.. as for comin to Arizona i think not.. i live in NJ and dont plan on traveling out of state.. be realistic with your challenge Top Gun..
have a happy thanksgiving dont choke on anything...
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Originally Posted by cardealr
My 11.58 was on my stock long block there sparky. Also before I added the additional mods I have now. I've watched you do enough bashing on the forums to last a life time. I had enough of it, and quite honestly...I done with you now. I've made my point, case closed. But I do hope I make it to Jersey some time, I'd make sure to look you up.
