Whipple Superchargers impress me!! Jim@JDM
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Originally Posted by Gen2 Lightning
Jim@JDM, have you done a back to back dyno and track test of a Whipple 2.3 versus a KB 2.6 "H" yet? Over time, if the new KB blowers prove to be the superior blower, are you going to admit that fact?
Considering that the only other positive displacement supercharger company won't even let you buy their blowers, that only makes sense.
For what it's worth, I give you major accolades for your continued accomplishments, however. There can't be anyone to deny that from you.
Considering that the only other positive displacement supercharger company won't even let you buy their blowers, that only makes sense.
For what it's worth, I give you major accolades for your continued accomplishments, however. There can't be anyone to deny that from you.
JJ, Grey03, ?
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have to tell you guys.......
buisness is buisness.
I don't care what signed agreements anyone has , what war of words has happened, and yada yada........
To say and manufacturer won't sell to someone is retarded.
If JDM wanted to buy 70 KB blowers, you think they are gonna say no?
It would happen. There's ways around everything.
Change a bolt in the kit, give it a different part number and it's done.
It seams now a-days no one has an exclusive on anything anymore.
I don't care what signed agreements anyone has , what war of words has happened, and yada yada........
To say and manufacturer won't sell to someone is retarded.
If JDM wanted to buy 70 KB blowers, you think they are gonna say no?
It would happen. There's ways around everything.
Change a bolt in the kit, give it a different part number and it's done.
It seams now a-days no one has an exclusive on anything anymore.
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If we take the time to look back a bit both KB and Whipple have had there share of failures, but that not really the point here is it, congrats guys for running some great times, big thumbs up for the JDM crew this season-nice job.
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Originally Posted by tallimeca
the older ones were locking up, bearings where failing. Thats is a fact.
But they were the onces putting down the power before these new whipple kits came out.
I would love to someone someone do an honest back to back test on a whipple vs KB blower. I doubt a tuner would and I don't blame them for not.
This went on and on before with other blowers. Bolt the things up back to back on the same truck. I know it's not a 5 minute job, the install, the tuning.......yada yada. I would figure the tuning would be someone similar between the 2. Even if you put a rich tune on there to be safe and did them back to back, you might not see peak numbers, but could see the differences.
Just a thought.
But they were the onces putting down the power before these new whipple kits came out.
I would love to someone someone do an honest back to back test on a whipple vs KB blower. I doubt a tuner would and I don't blame them for not.
This went on and on before with other blowers. Bolt the things up back to back on the same truck. I know it's not a 5 minute job, the install, the tuning.......yada yada. I would figure the tuning would be someone similar between the 2. Even if you put a rich tune on there to be safe and did them back to back, you might not see peak numbers, but could see the differences.
Just a thought.
I don't see my name on any list. My truck was probably one of if not the heaviest truck out there and ran right with everyone else. I didn't have any super fancy parts either that a lot of people are running. Oh yeah, I did it all on a tiny little KB too with a slapped in NX kit. It did have some good tuning though.
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"Jim@JDM, have you done a back to back dyno and track test of a Whipple 2.3 versus a KB 2.6 "H" yet? Over time, if the new KB blowers prove to be the superior blower, are you going to admit that fact?"
Gen 2,
JDM has purchased alot of new Kenne Bells when it was the only game in town. What stopped me from purchasing the Kenne Bells was not the fact that Jim Bell and I have a history together. But it was the fact that their chargers were locking up and if you talked to anyone at KB about it they refused to admit they had an issue. Yet I have numerous customers that have gotten threating emails that if they stated on the net that their blower locked up they would lose their warranty and out on a 3,000 blower!
The 2.6 has already been tested by Johnny on his personal truck and right now to date our fastest whipple truck is 3 tenths faster than his! We have several trucks infront of that as well all Whipples!
We have done back to back tests from KB 2.4's to Whipples 2.3's and there is about a 70 HP gain on the Whipple. KB has to make bigger blower to compete with the smaller Whipple. I read a post on Modular fords where KB has made 800 HP on a new shelby with their 2.8 blower. Read the same post how much power they have made with Lightings and mustang GT's. But like i said before, im at all these tracks and dont see the numbers on the score board. Our 05 Mustang makes 597 to the tires and weighs 4000lbs, we race an 05 KB mustang claiming 700 to the tires and much, much lighter. and We still beat that car by .3 tenths.
I will put any of my Whipple powered trucks against a KB powered truck ANY TIME!
Jim@JDM
Gen 2,
JDM has purchased alot of new Kenne Bells when it was the only game in town. What stopped me from purchasing the Kenne Bells was not the fact that Jim Bell and I have a history together. But it was the fact that their chargers were locking up and if you talked to anyone at KB about it they refused to admit they had an issue. Yet I have numerous customers that have gotten threating emails that if they stated on the net that their blower locked up they would lose their warranty and out on a 3,000 blower!
The 2.6 has already been tested by Johnny on his personal truck and right now to date our fastest whipple truck is 3 tenths faster than his! We have several trucks infront of that as well all Whipples!
We have done back to back tests from KB 2.4's to Whipples 2.3's and there is about a 70 HP gain on the Whipple. KB has to make bigger blower to compete with the smaller Whipple. I read a post on Modular fords where KB has made 800 HP on a new shelby with their 2.8 blower. Read the same post how much power they have made with Lightings and mustang GT's. But like i said before, im at all these tracks and dont see the numbers on the score board. Our 05 Mustang makes 597 to the tires and weighs 4000lbs, we race an 05 KB mustang claiming 700 to the tires and much, much lighter. and We still beat that car by .3 tenths.
I will put any of my Whipple powered trucks against a KB powered truck ANY TIME!
Jim@JDM
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From: TEXAS
Originally Posted by samiam513
sorry to burst your bubble, but JJ and JDM have no beef... all that **** is LONG over.
and JJ has a nice big kenne bell sitting in his shop right now...
and JJ has a nice big kenne bell sitting in his shop right now...
Originally Posted by whip
JJ, Grey03, ?
Originally Posted by JeffsLightning
I think your reference is incorrect as Gen2 is much smarter...
I have to agree with Jeffslightning. JJ had a pattern to the language he used.
Why is it that bunches of people with no personal knowledge jump on these threads to bash ? Its always somebodys brothers, cousins car is faster with the locked up blower... Blah blah blah
Just like the Juvenile Ford vs Chevy stuff thats been going on for 50 years
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You can talk a sore in your mouth about which one is better, but right now JDM has proven who is on top, you cant take anything away form there results. Like them or not the bar has been set. I think Jim has certainly earned the #1 spot. If anyone has a better package where is it at?? You cant BS a time slip. Congrats guys you've earned it. Maybe if you cant beatem joinem lol. Jim 3rd I need some of those cams. hehe
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Originally Posted by 01Diablo
You can talk a sore in your mouth about which one is better, but right now JDM has proven who is on top, you cant take anything away form there results. Like them or not the bar has been set. I think Jim has certainly earned the #1 spot. If anyone has a better package where is it at?? You cant BS a time slip. Congrats guys you've earned it. Maybe if you cant beatem joinem lol. Jim 3rd I need some of those cams. hehe
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From: Arizona
Originally Posted by Silver_2000
Wow a blast from the past.
I have to agree with Jeffslightning. JJ had a pattern to the language he used.
I have to agree with Jeffslightning. JJ had a pattern to the language he used.
he sells whipples so why would he talk shat about em
also i (me being the person who has had his whipple the longest, sent it to vinnie while my motor was down, had JDM ding up the midplate and not asked for a dime in return except shipping and talk to dustin on a regular schedule) know of NO whipples that locked up. the only issue is some scarring on the rotors and whipple had warrentied them when they were not even required to.
also i know of a 2.3kb that just locked up also here in az, or was it a 2.6
to me it sounds like someone is just stirring the pot.
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From: Beaufort SC
Originally Posted by Jim@JDM
We got the chance to test the old style whipple charger on Vinnie's truck over a year ago. We took Vinnies KB off at a HP rating of 640 RWHP strapped on the Whipple and made 712 to the tires. The Result was a new fastest non nitrous Gen 2 1/4 mile pass (10.33@131)at that time. We had to send the blower back to its rightful owner and wait untill the new whipple case came out.
Now that a year has gone by, and the new cases have been out some time we have been putting them through their paces all season long. Most of you know I am the sponsor of the Tuff truck class in Fun Ford Weekend and that I attend every event. There are trucks from all over the country that run in these events. So i get to see every type of combination out there. Bar None the Whipple trucks are the fastest. The tuff truck champion Don Justus runs a whipple on his truck. He has over 300 1/4 passes (from apr 06-sept06), having to hot lap the truck numerous times, and ran the number every time. That is what impresses me the most. It has been hotlapped in 100+ degree heat and we are not talking 1 hot lap pass, we are talking 2,3,4 or more times in a day! This is because he runs 2 classes. The supercharger has not been off the truck since we installed it and just before JDM day we dynoed it at 708 to the tires no nitrous. While on a 75 shot it made 792 to the tires and just under 1000 Ft lbs torque!
We have sold nearly 100 of these units to our customers and have had no failures. There was a couple that had scratched coating on their rotors from case flex before the nose cone supports. Dustin at Whipple instantly responded to this issue and handled it with the design of the support brace.
I dont get the chance to to get up here and post much anymore because Im either on the road or back in the shop trying to catch up from being on the road. I just wanted to give a big thumbs up to the Whipple Family for making the JDM customers and their trucks the fastest in the world.
Fastest Whipple Customers
Mike Redden 9.74@138.76
Don Justus 9.96@137
Jeff Bruso 10.19@132
Fast Gator 10.22@131.5
Leonard Watosn 10.23@132
Vinnie Telesco 10.33@129.8
The list goes on....
We have fast KB customers that run the same exact engine and combo but the whipple trucks are always .2-.3 tenths or more, faster!
There are only two aftermarket Superchargers companys out there that I will use at JDM that is the Magnum Powers which does an awesome Job for what it was designed for. And of course Whipples for our big HP numbers and ET's. Both of these superchargers have taken everything we have thrown at them and came back smiling.
Weather permitting we are going for a 9 second pass on Leonard's truck this week...JDM Aluminum motor and Whipple Supercharger...NO NITROUS!
Jim@JDM
Now that a year has gone by, and the new cases have been out some time we have been putting them through their paces all season long. Most of you know I am the sponsor of the Tuff truck class in Fun Ford Weekend and that I attend every event. There are trucks from all over the country that run in these events. So i get to see every type of combination out there. Bar None the Whipple trucks are the fastest. The tuff truck champion Don Justus runs a whipple on his truck. He has over 300 1/4 passes (from apr 06-sept06), having to hot lap the truck numerous times, and ran the number every time. That is what impresses me the most. It has been hotlapped in 100+ degree heat and we are not talking 1 hot lap pass, we are talking 2,3,4 or more times in a day! This is because he runs 2 classes. The supercharger has not been off the truck since we installed it and just before JDM day we dynoed it at 708 to the tires no nitrous. While on a 75 shot it made 792 to the tires and just under 1000 Ft lbs torque!
We have sold nearly 100 of these units to our customers and have had no failures. There was a couple that had scratched coating on their rotors from case flex before the nose cone supports. Dustin at Whipple instantly responded to this issue and handled it with the design of the support brace.
I dont get the chance to to get up here and post much anymore because Im either on the road or back in the shop trying to catch up from being on the road. I just wanted to give a big thumbs up to the Whipple Family for making the JDM customers and their trucks the fastest in the world.
Fastest Whipple Customers
Mike Redden 9.74@138.76
Don Justus 9.96@137
Jeff Bruso 10.19@132
Fast Gator 10.22@131.5
Leonard Watosn 10.23@132
Vinnie Telesco 10.33@129.8
The list goes on....
We have fast KB customers that run the same exact engine and combo but the whipple trucks are always .2-.3 tenths or more, faster!
There are only two aftermarket Superchargers companys out there that I will use at JDM that is the Magnum Powers which does an awesome Job for what it was designed for. And of course Whipples for our big HP numbers and ET's. Both of these superchargers have taken everything we have thrown at them and came back smiling.
Weather permitting we are going for a 9 second pass on Leonard's truck this week...JDM Aluminum motor and Whipple Supercharger...NO NITROUS!
Jim@JDM
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