Sal,, I never said "Hell no, your truck won't do that in the 1/4". All I asked for was answers which so far, I have not recieved. I don't doubt anyone's times. I simply wanted an explanation for the HP level to propel a 4.8-4.9 mass to 104-105 in the 1/4. You are the last in the line so far to just say -"what the hell, they just do it and thats it". Thats real technical if you ask me. I used three different calculators on-line and came up with 501 as an average to propel a 4.9 vehicle to 104 MPH's. Someone is lieing, either the timeslips are false or Fords HP claims are false. Boy, wouldn't the Cobra boys like 500 HP?
Sal, seriously, can you explain to me why the numbers don't compute with a lightning and they are almost right on for every other vehicle? It's not rocket science, you of all people know that.
Mad`


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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
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[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-08-2000).]

 

I know of alot of 11 second cars that get 2.10 60ft times too.(ya right)You asked for slips,you got them.Whats the matter,Now that you got the slips you have to have a mathmatical explenation for everything?You got slips Good enough.NO NO You are right,We all have magical lightnings.When I wiggle my nose my truck disapears!! lol lol

 

Lightningquick--And now the smartest person on F-150 raises his ugly head. It was bound to happen. Brain power just seems to follow this person. Well here goes my brain challenged friend:



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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
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[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-08-2000).]

 

Sal,

Is this magical disappearing truck a new product you've been working on? I am interested in purchasing the parts to make my truck disappear also. Please email me at wwwiwantmytrucktobemagic@icantbelieveitrunsthequar teratover104.mph

 

Mad,
I believe in the easterbunny...the tooth fairy is fake tho...I dont think ive heard of anyone who owns an L on this board pushing 500hp at the crank.But given the right conditions(track,rt..)ect.Low 13's are very possible.I believe that just with my minimal mods(filter) and a better rt i would have had a 13.7 easy.The chip has arrived,the gears go in this weekend,ill let you know how i do at the track when i test it again.

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99.5 Lightning(white)
Best 1/4 mile:13.89 @ 98.1 mph, 60':2.02
ARE LSII Tonneau w/wing
Alpine Stereo System(400 Watts)
clear turn lenses/clear tail lenses(on order)
Phantom Boost Guage
AirRaid Filter Kit
PSP Chip(arrived)
3.73 Gears(on order)
Belltech 2" Drop Shackles(on order)

 

Mad, you're right, I do know that. But I also know that dyno and calculated power ratings don't always reflect on a vehicle's ET. Ford rates the truck at 360 hp. That is obviously underrated as stock trucks dyno in the 310-320 rwhp range. But just because the numbers don't fit into a "formula", doesn't mean it's impossible for a vehicle to run a particluar ET. Take the 93-95 Lightings for example. Only 240hp. Doesn't seem like much does it. And the trucks weigh 4500lbs. But stock first gens could run high 14 second times. A 454SS had more power, and the Dodge SST had 260hp, but both of those were lucky if the broke into the 15s. If I put a convertor and gears in a vehicle, and it improved it's ETs, how would that be possible based on the fact that it did not increase any hp? You just can't use formulas for accuracy in that manner. And your questions were answered. You asked for weights and you got them. You asked how a 4900lb truck could turn those times, and you were given mods. The fact that you choose not to believe them is your own problem. I really don't know what else to say. If you really don't believe these trucks are turning these times based on given mods, then I suggest you either watch some at the track, or go buy one-you won't regret it

And BTW, what exactly is your timeslip supposed to show us? I don't see your point. The only thing I see on that timeslip, is that you shouldn't be critasizing OTHER peoples track experiance with a reaction time like that...

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SAL
13.209@104.3mph
Power Surge Performance 99 Lightning Chip and Filter Kit, full Bassani Exhaust, Nitto Extreme Drags
PowerSurgePerf@aol.com




[This message has been edited by LightningTuner (edited 05-08-2000).]

 

Thanks Sal for you input. I realize that at best there is only a vague comparison. The only 1/4 mile track in my area is HRP which is too far away, too crowded, too rule bound, too much. My little country 1/8 mile track is family owned and operated, IHRA or whatever sanctioned for 1/8, and its run like a family business, friendly and caring. I will patronized them and continue to have a great time. As for your filter kits. I sent back my Downs, it was junk. Please email me when you will be able to accept orders again at noelvm@pdq.net. I will wait for yours no matter how long. The only reason I went with the Downs anyway was I didn't want to wait. I will now wait.
noelvm
I will watch with eager anticipation your new trials. I like the idea of quick without no2.

 

Mad,
I have a working Car test Model that shows/Mathematically proves the Lightning Can run these times.
It took about an hours worth of time to get it to work, as I believe its supercharger hp-tq curves are not eaton-Roots/Roots/Screw represative.
Your calculation assumes too much, (where and how peak hp and torque occur, .....) and its too late to get into it now, I will broach the topic tomarrow.

But, any off you who have Car test, I will send you my model. Email me at sbothe@mediaone.net if you want it.

BTW: I don't use Car Test because I think it is great or the most accurate, I use it because it is Shareware - FREE.

Guys this has gotten out of hand, Mad asked some good questions, It may have lacked some tack, ok, a lot of tack, but this lack of tack has been multiplied ten fold, by others. This is a good thread, and It brings to the table some intresting points that I think alot of people here can learn from.

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13.62 @ 100

[This message has been edited by 2000Silverbulletonorder (edited 05-09-2000).]

 

ZorPrime--- I wish you and everyone else luck on achieving better 1/4 mile times but you gotta believe me on this one, Reaction times have nothing to do with ET's or MPH times. You can sit at the light for a minute after the green glows and still run your normal times and MPH's.
Trust me-- Mad`


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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods




[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-09-2000).]

 

What is all this fuss about?
I weighted my truck with a half of tank of gas and me in it 4735 dead on.
Mine has 1050 miles and I turned a best 13.78 at 99mph in the evening, 72 degrees at 400 feet above sea level(bone stock).
Reaction time has nothing to do with your e/t.
The track location is the main issuse in order to get the corrected times (@ sea level).
If these trucks are capable of making 500hp, then the e/t's would show it(mid 11's to low 12's e/t's).
Just my $.02 also

 

hey sal you hooking up with ne and blackbolt and spiro maybe let us know we are meeting at exit 19 on the penn. turnpike right over the river on the right side at a dot pull over wed. at 9;30 am

 

Sal--My ET in the Cobra is something I have been trying to achieve for almost three years. It was a test and tune weekend and I was desperate to get a 11 sec slip. I could care less about Reaction time. I think I was paired with a Chevy pickup. I was heavilly concentrating on my launch as you can see by the 1.59 60 foot. I was oblivious to the light or the opponent. I run the Nova in a 12.0 index class with a Pro tree and R/T's are everything. Yes, You guys have given me the numbers but they do not add up. I am not doubting them but rather asking why these numbers do not compute with the laws of physics and common vehicles with common 1/4 MPH's. I could care less about ET's in this conversation because there are too mnay variables. I didn't ask how a 4.9K truck could turn those times as you accuse me of but rather "How could a 4.9K mass turn 105 MPH in the 1/4 in 13.0-13.2 seconds with a chip and K&N filter"? Keep in mind--ET's are deceptive but MPH is consistant and more accurate. I didn't say I didn't believe the claims but rather said I was skeptical. So far all I have heard Is "well they just freaking do it man so shut the huck up and get the huck outa here". (High intelligence).
Meanwhile all you guys commence to the usual backslapping because there is no-one that is asking WHY? I haven't heard an intelligent explanation of how a vehicle with 360 HP can achieve 500 HP with a chip and an air filter yet. As far as the track goes, I spend many hours at the track running "Real Street" in my Nova so I have seen lots of Lightnings and everything else run. FYI--I have seen new Vettes struugle to run 13.6's and LS1 Camaros and Firebirds struggle to run 13.99's. BTW--I have personal verification from one of your homeboys here at F-150 online as to my times in both my Chevy and Ford in case you would like to raise that question.
Why does a stock Lightning with a chip and air filter have over 500 HP? Anyone?
Mad`

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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods




[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-09-2000).]

 

Mad,
I am in no way an experienced racer on the track, so when i first went down to race at cecil county, i went up against a 99 WS6...i realized that basically he should have had me for lunch...but he didn't, i beat him by almost a full second, i also happened to run
a 13.78 with my fat butt in the seat and a very poor r/t...maybe this doesn't add up to much but it makes me realize that we have here one of the more amazing pieces of machinery that ford has ever produced and i can vouch for several of the low 13 boys cause i was there...Johnny Lightning, Lightning Freak, Spiro99 and H8 2 W8 all in the 13.3 and lower category...
did notice one thing though that the east coast boys seem to get better numbers than our midwestern and southern brothers on the average...probably something to do with sea level

 

2000Silverbulletonorder--Thanks for taking the time to respond. I can't wait to see what kind of figures you come up with on the Lightning. I meant this thread to be informational and it always seems to turn into a pissing contest when a HP figure is questioned on ANY vehicle/engine conbination.
Hell, I gotta new TORO with 6 HP and it can't handle thick grass when mulching, Why??
I wanna know!! I don't accept "Just because a TORO sucks" show me....Thanks, Mad`


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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods




[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-09-2000).]

 

I don't have a Lightning but rather a Cobra but I enjoy reading the posts here. One thing I have noticed is there are only a couple of folks here that actually post a timeslip. They are in the mid 13 sec. range and that's damn fast in my book. However, I see lots of signatures in the low 13's with only a chip and K&N but I never see a timeslip. I wonder if all these claims are really true? Can anyone verify a low 13 sec. slip of their own and not a buddy or a neighbor with only a chip and K&N or what other parts does it take to run a 13.0? Running N2O is understandably a 12. sec truck and I am not talking about those. My track experience has revealed that its a Beyutch to get a Lightning to 13.5 with a chip and K&N or very minimum mods.
Enlighten me please?
Mad`

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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods