Timeslips
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From: Okla. City, OK
dorgun1--Lightningquick is obviously a severely brain challenged individual. He seems to be the only violent individual here and that's too bad because it makes the rest of the folks look somewhat in the same boat but I know thats not true. I started this thread about timeslips and guess who the only one posted a slip of 13.20 something with a "If you don't believe it then get the F##k outa here". This guy has to have an IQ of my friend below: Maybe he is living proof Donkeys can type?
As a Chevy guy who happens to own a Cobra, I think it best for me to leave this place and not come back which is what your homeboy Lightningquick requested. I wish you all luck with your Lightnings.
Mad`
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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods
[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-10-2000).]
As a Chevy guy who happens to own a Cobra, I think it best for me to leave this place and not come back which is what your homeboy Lightningquick requested. I wish you all luck with your Lightnings.
Mad`
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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods
[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-10-2000).]
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From: Oak Brook, Illinois
Things never stay the same so let us treasure
the FORD Lightning for as long as they last. A legend in the making ? akin to some of the super muscle cars of the 60s.
A hell of a deal for $ 29,000 + and no Chevys insight, even our Mustang cousins can't fully grasp the magnitude of the mighty L.
Keep em running boys, a few tweeks here and there and when the Lightning's time has passed you can sit back and say you had one of the all time great ones !
the FORD Lightning for as long as they last. A legend in the making ? akin to some of the super muscle cars of the 60s.
A hell of a deal for $ 29,000 + and no Chevys insight, even our Mustang cousins can't fully grasp the magnitude of the mighty L.
Keep em running boys, a few tweeks here and there and when the Lightning's time has passed you can sit back and say you had one of the all time great ones !
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From: Oak Brook, Illinois
Things never stay the same so let us treasure
the FORD Lightning for as long as they last. A legend in the making ? akin to some of the super muscle cars of the 60s.
A hell of a deal for $ 29,000 + and no Chevys insight, even our Mustang cousins can't fully grasp the magnitude of the mighty L.
Keep em running boys, a few tweeks here and there and when the Lightning's time has passed you can sit back and say you had one of the all time great ones !
the FORD Lightning for as long as they last. A legend in the making ? akin to some of the super muscle cars of the 60s.
A hell of a deal for $ 29,000 + and no Chevys insight, even our Mustang cousins can't fully grasp the magnitude of the mighty L.
Keep em running boys, a few tweeks here and there and when the Lightning's time has passed you can sit back and say you had one of the all time great ones !
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From: WAYNE,MI,USA
MAD,
I think the problem with your H.P. formula is you don't take into account the 5000 lb tow capacity. Perhaps pulling a trailer with a '65 Nova on it, you inside with your calculator would slow these trucks down enough for our times to be more accurate.
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HIGH RISK
- '99 Black Lightning
- Superchip
- Pro-M 80mm M.A.F.
- Level 10 shift kit
- Level 10 Torque Con.
- 4.10 gear
- 2-10" rad.fans
- 3-6" I.C. fans
- Switch to run I.C. pump manually
- N.O.S. Dry shot (80hp)
-12.25 w/bottle
-12.61 w/o bottle
-26x11.5x16 M/T Street E.T.'s on 8" spare wheels
-Lightning Performance long tube headers
-Cats removed
-Sway bars removed
-C.E. Drag Shocks
I think the problem with your H.P. formula is you don't take into account the 5000 lb tow capacity. Perhaps pulling a trailer with a '65 Nova on it, you inside with your calculator would slow these trucks down enough for our times to be more accurate.
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HIGH RISK
- '99 Black Lightning
- Superchip
- Pro-M 80mm M.A.F.
- Level 10 shift kit
- Level 10 Torque Con.
- 4.10 gear
- 2-10" rad.fans
- 3-6" I.C. fans
- Switch to run I.C. pump manually
- N.O.S. Dry shot (80hp)
-12.25 w/bottle
-12.61 w/o bottle
-26x11.5x16 M/T Street E.T.'s on 8" spare wheels
-Lightning Performance long tube headers
-Cats removed
-Sway bars removed
-C.E. Drag Shocks
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From: New Hampshire
Cry all you want ya big baby.
I did hammer on superchips.Their customer services stinks and I had alot of problems with the chip.If you were so smart and read all of what I have ever said here,You would see it is aall the truth.You would also see that the superchip knocked 6/10s off my time.You wanted slips ,ypu got em.Take it how you want it.You are the ones who are making fools of yourself with your stupid calculator tactics.Everybody on here is laughtning at YOU! not me.You are the type of people who race me and after tell me "I wasnt on it all the way"What a couple of LOSERS.Youve got an answer for everything dont you.Well almost.......You still dont have an answer why these trucks run 13.20s with a chip! I think the real reason I got a 13.20 is the way the moon was in the sky and the sun was setting to the west and their was a touch of n20 blowing through my town.Dont forget I also had the easter bunnny,Tooth fairy ,and your mother all pushing me down the track.I Remember one of them having legs like horses.Im sure you can figure out which one it was.That gave me alot more HOrsepower
Probally enough for your 500 hp claim..........Thanks MOM!
I did hammer on superchips.Their customer services stinks and I had alot of problems with the chip.If you were so smart and read all of what I have ever said here,You would see it is aall the truth.You would also see that the superchip knocked 6/10s off my time.You wanted slips ,ypu got em.Take it how you want it.You are the ones who are making fools of yourself with your stupid calculator tactics.Everybody on here is laughtning at YOU! not me.You are the type of people who race me and after tell me "I wasnt on it all the way"What a couple of LOSERS.Youve got an answer for everything dont you.Well almost.......You still dont have an answer why these trucks run 13.20s with a chip! I think the real reason I got a 13.20 is the way the moon was in the sky and the sun was setting to the west and their was a touch of n20 blowing through my town.Dont forget I also had the easter bunnny,Tooth fairy ,and your mother all pushing me down the track.I Remember one of them having legs like horses.Im sure you can figure out which one it was.That gave me alot more HOrsepower
Probally enough for your 500 hp claim..........Thanks MOM!
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From: New Hampshire
One more thing,
I hope none of you are taking this to heart.Its all fun and games on my end.If there wasnt a little flaming going on in here it would not have reachd 80 post .Bottom line,I do not 'FUDGE' time slips.Mine are as clear as day .I just hate excuses for why they are so fast.I dont know why I dont care why.I just let the person Im racing ask all the questions while they are smoked by a 4800lb truck!
I hope none of you are taking this to heart.Its all fun and games on my end.If there wasnt a little flaming going on in here it would not have reachd 80 post .Bottom line,I do not 'FUDGE' time slips.Mine are as clear as day .I just hate excuses for why they are so fast.I dont know why I dont care why.I just let the person Im racing ask all the questions while they are smoked by a 4800lb truck!
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From: Okla. City, OK
Once again, the intelligence oozes from Lightningquick. Wonder why the stupidest and most confrontational person on this board just happens to have the fastest 1/4 mile time with a chip and K&N filter? Humm?
Seriously, the quickest Lightning I have seen at our NHRA sanctioned track was 13.48. The truck has a Stupidchip, a F-150.com's members air filter and inlet tube, and slicks.
The driver of this Lightning has lots of experience in 10 sec. Camaros and Pro Trees. How can this be? The elevation here is 1200 feet.
Mad`
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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods
[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-10-2000).]
Seriously, the quickest Lightning I have seen at our NHRA sanctioned track was 13.48. The truck has a Stupidchip, a F-150.com's members air filter and inlet tube, and slicks.
The driver of this Lightning has lots of experience in 10 sec. Camaros and Pro Trees. How can this be? The elevation here is 1200 feet.
Mad`
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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods
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From: Kennesaw, Ga. USA
My, My, everyone is having so much fun here and I missed most of it.
As a technical numbnut, my theory may not hold water, but can we again address MAD's 500 horsepower theory.
I have a dyno printout that shows my vehicle made 330 rear wheel hp with a very early Superchips chip with zero learn time. Using the 25% loss ratio for transmission and diff, that gives 440 at the flywheel. And, my take on the loss ratio says 25% is more realistic than 10/15% considering that we are dragging the diesel converter and Expy gears/innards.
Using the same "calculation", I need to make 375 at the rear wheels, only 45 more, to equate to 500 at the flywheel. I now have Sal's PSP filter and a Full Monty Bassani system on the truck. In theory, that should give me an additional 45 at least.
I almost forgot, I got 309 at the wheels stock, a figure beaten by 10-12 hp by many with more mileage on their trucks, and that equates to 412 at the flywheel.
My point, however long, is I personally feel that the Lightning is vastly under-rated by FMC, and as a result is very much faster than anyone who doesn't own one wants to see.
I have yet to run at a strip, but my street racing experience is that Moby gets beat by vehicles that should beat her, but not by anywhere near as much as if she only had 360 hp in stock form.
As some have already said, rather than fight about it, let us enjoy a diamond in the rough, an SVT product that delivers more, rather than less, performance than they said we would get.
And, did I mention the lion mating sounds?
Bill
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99.5 Lightning
Build #247
PSP Chip/Filter
Bassani full system
White/normal options
Tamiya 1/10 scale Bolt
Several old trucks/cars
Thunder & Lightning
Rag Doll Cats
E-mail MOSTOYSINC@AOL.com
Kennesaw, Ga. (Atlanta)
As a technical numbnut, my theory may not hold water, but can we again address MAD's 500 horsepower theory.
I have a dyno printout that shows my vehicle made 330 rear wheel hp with a very early Superchips chip with zero learn time. Using the 25% loss ratio for transmission and diff, that gives 440 at the flywheel. And, my take on the loss ratio says 25% is more realistic than 10/15% considering that we are dragging the diesel converter and Expy gears/innards.
Using the same "calculation", I need to make 375 at the rear wheels, only 45 more, to equate to 500 at the flywheel. I now have Sal's PSP filter and a Full Monty Bassani system on the truck. In theory, that should give me an additional 45 at least.
I almost forgot, I got 309 at the wheels stock, a figure beaten by 10-12 hp by many with more mileage on their trucks, and that equates to 412 at the flywheel.
My point, however long, is I personally feel that the Lightning is vastly under-rated by FMC, and as a result is very much faster than anyone who doesn't own one wants to see.
I have yet to run at a strip, but my street racing experience is that Moby gets beat by vehicles that should beat her, but not by anywhere near as much as if she only had 360 hp in stock form.
As some have already said, rather than fight about it, let us enjoy a diamond in the rough, an SVT product that delivers more, rather than less, performance than they said we would get.
And, did I mention the lion mating sounds?
Bill
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99.5 Lightning
Build #247
PSP Chip/Filter
Bassani full system
White/normal options
Tamiya 1/10 scale Bolt
Several old trucks/cars
Thunder & Lightning
Rag Doll Cats
E-mail MOSTOYSINC@AOL.com
Kennesaw, Ga. (Atlanta)
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From: Okla. City, OK
The derrogatory remarks about my Nova and Cobra were expected by the more narrowminded here and of course they opened their ignorant cake holes as expected. I never mentioned anything about my two 11 sec. cars being faster than a Lightning and do not intend to. So, I guess the 57 Chevy is the next to recieve a slam, huh? Anyone wanna step up?
This thread was started with a request to see all the 13.2 and below timeslips that I see in alot of signatures on this board. It's amazing how a person can buy a 30K vehicle but doesn't have the cash for a scanner. Also, Kinko's are only in Okla. I guess?
So far, I have seen one timeslip. Thanks Lightningquick, such as it is. You will get smarter as you get older, don't worry.
I suspect because Lightningquick has a timeslip (un-verified) for a 13.20 something, then some folks may think their identical Lightning with a Stupidchip and a K&N will surely do the same. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone with dragstrip experience can tell you that a 10th of a second is a Beeyutch to come by. If your Lightning or anything else runs an initial 13.5 @ 103 then it is not magically gonna run a 13.0 or 13.2 without major modifications. This is why I am skeptical and also I have not seen it at my local dragstrip. I know, my local NHRA track sucks because its in Oklahoma. Go ahead all you brain challenged folks, jump on it.
I have recieved several e-mails from other Lightning owners on this board that have been wondering the same thing about the astronomical 1/4 mile times some are using on this board. Their times are closer to the high 13 and low 14's. One in particular is a class NHRA dragracer. I won't mention any names because they are afraid to step forward and be flamed and I will respect the confidentiality of anyone who takes the time to e-mail me.
Mad`
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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods
[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-10-2000).]
This thread was started with a request to see all the 13.2 and below timeslips that I see in alot of signatures on this board. It's amazing how a person can buy a 30K vehicle but doesn't have the cash for a scanner. Also, Kinko's are only in Okla. I guess?
So far, I have seen one timeslip. Thanks Lightningquick, such as it is. You will get smarter as you get older, don't worry.
I suspect because Lightningquick has a timeslip (un-verified) for a 13.20 something, then some folks may think their identical Lightning with a Stupidchip and a K&N will surely do the same. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone with dragstrip experience can tell you that a 10th of a second is a Beeyutch to come by. If your Lightning or anything else runs an initial 13.5 @ 103 then it is not magically gonna run a 13.0 or 13.2 without major modifications. This is why I am skeptical and also I have not seen it at my local dragstrip. I know, my local NHRA track sucks because its in Oklahoma. Go ahead all you brain challenged folks, jump on it.
I have recieved several e-mails from other Lightning owners on this board that have been wondering the same thing about the astronomical 1/4 mile times some are using on this board. Their times are closer to the high 13 and low 14's. One in particular is a class NHRA dragracer. I won't mention any names because they are afraid to step forward and be flamed and I will respect the confidentiality of anyone who takes the time to e-mail me.
Mad`
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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods
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From: Oak Point, Texas
Mad -
My 13.302 was at HRP (sea level), low humidity, and about 45-50 dgrees F. I consistantly run 13.7-13.8 with the same mods at Ennis. I don't doubt that A-Lightning could run in the low 13s with the right conditions also. There are posted ETs as high as 15+ seconds with extremely poor conditions. It doesn't make much sense, but that's the way it works. I was there when Wyldman ran his 12.85 (on the bottle) and Nathan ran his 13.234. The same night, a bone stock Lightning (being used as a tow vehicle for Pete's sake) made a single pass at 13.7 something. Unbelievers get crucified around here. Believe or be cast out.
Maybe I can get up to Thunder Valley in the next month or so and we can make some runs. And no, I won't run you for pink slips.
My 13.302 was at HRP (sea level), low humidity, and about 45-50 dgrees F. I consistantly run 13.7-13.8 with the same mods at Ennis. I don't doubt that A-Lightning could run in the low 13s with the right conditions also. There are posted ETs as high as 15+ seconds with extremely poor conditions. It doesn't make much sense, but that's the way it works. I was there when Wyldman ran his 12.85 (on the bottle) and Nathan ran his 13.234. The same night, a bone stock Lightning (being used as a tow vehicle for Pete's sake) made a single pass at 13.7 something. Unbelievers get crucified around here. Believe or be cast out.
Maybe I can get up to Thunder Valley in the next month or so and we can make some runs. And no, I won't run you for pink slips.
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From: Okla. City, OK
I use four different programs and since this crap started I have used two additional ones. But nevermind, I really don't consider them to be accurate. I started this thread about all the 13.2 and below timeslips that everyone uses. In your post I gather the ET you posted is not actual but rather corrected? Is this true? Corrected ET's and dyno numbers are bull*****. Do you have a scanner? I rest my case..................
Mad`
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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods
[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-10-2000).]
Mad`
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97 Cobra, 11.90 @ 115--1.59 60 foot
65 Nova, 11.74 @ 123--2.10 60 foot (street tires)
57 Chevy 2dr.(original)
MADS` Hot Rods
[This message has been edited by Mad (edited 05-10-2000).]
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From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
Ok, well I just couldnt resist jumping in one more time. I have seen the fastest Lightning run and talked to A-Lightning my self at Thunder Valley. Great man and I know his numbers are true. But again I think the biggest issue is you cant use one set of numbers to brand a whole range of items. Another man runs his red 99 at TV and runs .2 slower than A-Lightning, and they have the exact same mods barring the slicks, and even then I have seen some slow times with those. I am myself taken back sometimes by the numbers that are posted here but who am I or anyone else to dispute these since I am neither there when they are ran or am the one who scanned the time sheets myself. Its a free country and if one chooses to fudge, not implying any one does, but if they do then God Bless you and keep giving me something to strive to beat. I know that the numbers and stories seem out there to most of us sometimes yet nothing is impossible either.
And to comment on the lack of intelligent rebutle that is shown here, I LOVE IT!!!!
my $.02 once again.
Eric
And to comment on the lack of intelligent rebutle that is shown here, I LOVE IT!!!!
my $.02 once again.
Eric
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Hey MAD, If your making the trip to St. Louis I will be glad to show you a fi****l of timeslips. I have currently made over 80 runs with my L,all the runs are 13.7 or quicker, with at least 20 in the 13.0`s. Since you are a long time member I bet you will recall my 3 runs that were made back in November of 99 that were all in the 13.0 range with just a chip/filter/DR`s. Not to mention that the bowtie boys were talking about it on the LS1 board.
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99 SVT Lightning
BLK. #1476 5/20/99
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Bassani catpipes
Bassani catback
Downs Air Intake
Mickey Thompson E.T. Drag`s
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Cervini`s 3-inch Cowl Hood
A-pillar Phantom Boost Guage
Redline Water Wetter
Sportmaster Flip tonneau
Tow package
CD changer
Best run to date
13.064 @105.33
Best 60` 1.87
Best m.p.h. 106.66
"Empty Pockets Racing"Drag Race Team NJ-DE
LAUNCH HARD
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99 SVT Lightning
BLK. #1476 5/20/99
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Bassani catpipes
Bassani catback
Downs Air Intake
Mickey Thompson E.T. Drag`s
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Cervini`s 3-inch Cowl Hood
A-pillar Phantom Boost Guage
Redline Water Wetter
Sportmaster Flip tonneau
Tow package
CD changer
Best run to date
13.064 @105.33
Best 60` 1.87
Best m.p.h. 106.66
"Empty Pockets Racing"Drag Race Team NJ-DE
LAUNCH HARD