I agree, but If I was ready for a built motor I sure wouldn't mind being a test truck for a 200 shot.

 

Rob has proven his bottle works for him. I just like to have the power all the time and not depend on a bottle being filled, turned on, or heated......not that there's anything wrong with using the juice for power.

But first, lets clear a few things.......
Rob has suspension and trans mods, NO cooling or exhaust mods.

The cooling mods I have only help on the street, when we race at the track, we run cold motors, so my heat exchangers with Spal fans are no help......probably extra weight. The electric fan, must help, because its less rotating weight. My catback as been proven to be no help, but I bought it for the sound alone. The addition of the long tubes was added to enhance the sound. It has been shown to remove boost, but Iam sure it helps the motor breath and make power. But the stock factory exhaust is no hindrance to making power and going fast.
Rob has Gregg's FTVB, as I do.
Rob has the 58" traction bars, as I do.
Rob has a CAI, as I do.
Rob has a aftermarket T/B, as I do. (No gains, but Billet is cool)
Rob has a ported Eaton, as I do
Rob has a 4lb lower plus a 2 lb upper = 6lbs
I have a 6 lb lower plus a 1 lb upper = 7lbs
Rob shoots 65/75hp nitrous.....I don't
He needs the juice to keep up

So my point is Rob should be the test mule for us Lightning owners for this new nitrous system. If racetested can't get Rob a system for N/C :-), I for one, would be willing to donate some coins towards Robs new setup.
Hell, I might even shoot a little funny stuff just for fun myself.

I seriously doubt a stock Lightning could handle a 200 shot. I
think if racetested saw what we have for stock rods he might back off that statement. But for the Lightning owners with "built" short blocks, maybe this could be the end all. I for one, am willing to see where this ends up, as it can only be another option for the Lightning community.
Heck, if racetested wanted to d o n a t e a setup to a Lightning owner with a well tuned Lightning with all the bolt-on's available, I'd give it a real good introduction to my stock rods/pistons...........around Sept/Oct. Short block will be a Christmas present to myself:-)

Rematch with Rob?, SURE :-) But we the board, have to let Rob talk smack for another 3 months

 

Ok since we're stating facts

At Cecil when Rob ( thats me ) ran twin 12.0's
(ON FILM), I had NO FTVB, nor did I have 58" JDM Bars,
Plus I was running FULL WEIGHT, 4lbs of pulley, and 65HP jets.

and
@ Eng Town on JDM Day when Rob ( thats me ) ran an 11.81
(ON FILM), I had NO FTVB, nor did I have 58" JDM Bars,
yes I did de-weight (no pass seat, spare, rad cover, jack, etc)
and I did pump it up to 6lbs of pulley, and 75 HP jets.

If you want to call suspension work this
DJM Lowering Shackles, part# SH30972 $29.95, Bought from: http://www.stylinconcepts.com/parts....categoryid=206

Then ok Gator is correct (I don't exactly call that suspension work)

Now at Cecil last month, that was a diff story, yes I now have 58" JDM Bars, a Ported Eaton, I ran more timing, a FTVB, AND I RAN FRIGGING SLOWER (&@$#()$#%)@$%)$%)$

God I hate when that happens...........
I should have kept it simple.....back to the drawing board.....

 

I got to say, guys like Gator have become great friends, and I
so look foward to the days we hang out and go racing,
especially when we're all together, including you guys.

the Rob vs Gator story has been a good one to follow over the years.
Seeing min Mods + Juice
Vs
Maximum Mods + More Boost, Headers/Full Exhuast, Fans, Heat Exchanger, I think Shocks ?, Skinny's, Race Programs, Dyno Tunes, etc,
Has proved to be quite an even match up,
Yes I'm bowing Gator, don't let it go to your head.

I think we've been within a tenth of each other, each and every time we've paired up, (4-6 times) even as we've modded simular and grown a little, our time slips continue to be within 100th's of a sec apart on all the number up the slips, our MPH is very simular, and the results extremly close. And yes he always gets me at the line (but I'm working on that) and he does usually have a little more MPH (EVEN WHEN I RUN FASTER)
oh here it comes

Denny's Nitrous System would be an excellent addition to the line up

Hey Gator,






















GOT 11.8's ?????????????















NOT

 

We'll see what happens. If you guys are running quite a bit more boost over stock then I doubt 200hp can be achieved with nitrous also. That's why I stated that I fit a boost controller to limit boost on my truck as well when on higher does of nitrous. Now you guys have an advantage as your ECM's can have multiple programs and the timing can be retarded.

I am 100% confident that we will drop .5 seconds off Rob's truck with his current set-up and our tuning help.

The traction problem can be resolved with a progressive. This is what I have been preaching all along. Instead of 100 shot hitting the motor at once we can start off at about 30 hp and build up to 100% power. This also allows more power to be used on the top end. A progressive can increase the power 2-3 times as much over a one hit system and is even much safer and reliable than dual stage systems.

I'm not a fan of just giving kits away though as our kits are expensive and to high a quality to be begging for users. This should be the other way around where customers see the superiority and justify the cost to want to buy our products. So Rob and I will have to come to a middle ground on this. I believe this is fair as our time is worth something and if you were to include our hours involved with helping customers we would be losing money. This is a fact.

 

There is a local lightning who has been using a 125hp dry shot for 2 years now, spraying it almost daily, with alot of sucess.

I see alot of trashing of Zex, NOS, and NX from racetested but no results so far.

 

he's just getting started. Like he said above it will be a few weeks before they can show any results.

 

Mistergadget,
Your synicism is not much appreciated. We have a lot of experience with nitrous and probably more than anyone else in the world. So what we state are facts based on years of experience and testing. You on the other hand are just trying to start trouble with no knowledge of what we are about. Been there and done that with people like you. Not worth the headaches anymore as we have better things to do. We are more than happy to work with people and have already been in touch with a few. In the mean time act like an adult and quit trying to cause arguments and start crap.

 

Racetested - I will be VERY interested to see how exactly you plan to drop half a second off of a blown truck already spraying a 75 shot. The ONLY way I can see it happening is if 1. his truck is WAY out of tune right now (which I doubt it is) or 2. you spray quite a bit more nitrous on the truck, I have not read this entire thread but I can only assume you plan on doing the later of the two.

Good luck with your quest for dropping a half a second off of robs truck.

 

I'm curious as to why you think a progressive system is safer and more reliable than a two stage setup? In my experience, the progressive controlers tend to burn up solenoids. Whats you opinion of the Nitrous Pro Flow systems by Wilson Manifolds (www.wilsonmanifolds.com). I'm using their two stage plate system, with a 300hp hit when the transbrake is released and another 300hp hit connected to a DigiSet timer. When you say your setup increases power by 2-3 times, does that mean my 600hp tuneup will be worth 1800hp of nitrous? That just doesn't make sense! This system has been very reliable, and the only way I could see anyone having a problem is if they didn't wire it properly. Wilson has a nitrous/fuel flowbench at their facility and I have the sytem flowed after every season, do you have any flowbench numbers on your setup(so I can compare numbers)? I'm building an outlaw drag radial car, and was planning on using another Wilson setup, but yours sounds interesting if its not all just a sales pitch (no offense). Can you please give us some solid details about what makes your systems better than the other high-end units on the market? I've never seen anyone at any tracks using your stuff, are you a new company? Details damnitt!

 

I have spent a lot of time and energy on our site to include as much info as possible so I could avoid re-answering questions and having people assume rather than know. Most if not all questions can be answered if people read the info attached with each product.

I do plan on running more nitrous and tuning Robs truck better. I wasn't kidding when I say we are the world experts in the nitrous industry. Rob will learn better ways to do things and he can share when we are done.

I said a progressive "CAN" increase power 2-3 times over a one hit system. Actually Trev(owner of highpower) has built a special system for our pro-mod friend that can flow 3,000 hp worth of nitrous out of 4 pairs of solenoids. We also have a new bottle valve coming soon that can outflow any other valve on the market. If you use a two stage system you are not going forward optimally. 1) When the first and second stage come on you have that hard hit and not smooth linear power like a progressive offers. 2) The time wasted between the two stages can be the difference betwen winning and losing a race. A progressive has no time loss between stages. 3) A one hit system shocks the motor, trans, and drivetrain which is more stress on everything and does not equal the best forward progress as the extra shockload could decrease efficiency.

I have stated earlier in the post that we are not new but have been developing for over 20 years. I'm kind of new to being the only U.S. distributor for Highpower. This board and the Viper board are the only U.S. advertising we have done. As where all the other companies spend a fortune for marketing and concentrating on that over developing the best product, Trev has spent his years developing the best products and then we will worry about sales second.

Wilson, NX, NOS, and the list goes on where they all use the same solenoid design with nothing unique. Our solenoids, coils, and everything involved are designed specifically for nitrous, to be pulsed, and are completely different than anyone else. There are even specifics of the internal design that Trev won't even share with me. That's why we offer a Lifetime Warranty with no rebuild kits either.

I don't mind answering questions but I may need some money for all this consulting. LOL

 

One more thing. We set our sites and goals high. I wouldn' t be working with Rob or anyone else to only shave a tenth or two off an 11-12 second vehicle.

 

We'll give you space to do your thing... Right guys....

In reality it takes time to get these things ironed out. Believe me I know! In the OEM field we sometimes come up with some really innovative stuff. But to make it a reality that's ready for a customers review simply takes time (multiple prototyping tryouts).

I very much like the idea of a progressive increase. I would hope this to be somewhat tuneable easily by the end customer? These trucks make so much torque down low that this would be an asset indeed!


Rich

 

I run the zex wet kit and if your system makes that big a difference on Robs truck, I will be dealing with you in the future!!!!!!!!

 

Maybe you should pony up the supporting vendor fee before promoting your products on this board?

I agree with rs coleman, I see alot of claims but little scientific data to back it up. I am not refuting your experience and knowledge in the field however some claims seem slightly outrageous. I dont understand how a progrssive system (which would flow less nitrous overall) makes more power than a conventional system that is flowing the entire time. This isnt an attack but just something I would want to learn about.

I know a couple vendors want to start selling your products soon and I am definitely interested.

Edit: BTW it's cynicism