Aptens Little Secret ?
Originally posted by TampaBlack99
As far as I know there is only 1 shop outside of Eaton that is qualified to replace the bearings and that's Magnuson Products. They are a Eaton qualified dealer and can upgrade the bearings in your blower for just under $250. This is, replacing EVERY bearing in your blower. They even replace the rear bearings and upgrade them to a better quality bearing. Most don't seem to understand when you put to much tension on the front nose with a tight belt and larger pullies you crush the plastic sleeves in the rear bearings which then causes the rotors to make a slapping noise . Vendors just tell you it's cavitation and hurts nothing... It's REALLY the inability of the rear bearings to take any added stress over oem rpm's.
As far as I know there is only 1 shop outside of Eaton that is qualified to replace the bearings and that's Magnuson Products. They are a Eaton qualified dealer and can upgrade the bearings in your blower for just under $250. This is, replacing EVERY bearing in your blower. They even replace the rear bearings and upgrade them to a better quality bearing. Most don't seem to understand when you put to much tension on the front nose with a tight belt and larger pullies you crush the plastic sleeves in the rear bearings which then causes the rotors to make a slapping noise . Vendors just tell you it's cavitation and hurts nothing... It's REALLY the inability of the rear bearings to take any added stress over oem rpm's.
Originally posted by wydopnthrtl
Guys Guys Guys...
A S/C must have highly controlled tolerance standards.
Apten, has high standards and will perform. Brian gave his word that his service will meet "Aptens standards". Give it a rest allredy!
& btw: Don't fall into the trap of thinking that "new bearings" are better than what you have already. It's not uncommon to have "new bearings" installed and they are *worse* than what you had to begin with. I've spent many years in this area of motors and trust me on this one.
Were not talking about a new TV or vcr here. At the end of the day it comes down to the actual tolerances, alignment between the rotating pieces, & adequate lubrication. Not whether it's new or used.
Rich
Guys Guys Guys...
A S/C must have highly controlled tolerance standards.
Apten, has high standards and will perform. Brian gave his word that his service will meet "Aptens standards". Give it a rest allredy!
& btw: Don't fall into the trap of thinking that "new bearings" are better than what you have already. It's not uncommon to have "new bearings" installed and they are *worse* than what you had to begin with. I've spent many years in this area of motors and trust me on this one.
Were not talking about a new TV or vcr here. At the end of the day it comes down to the actual tolerances, alignment between the rotating pieces, & adequate lubrication. Not whether it's new or used.
Rich
Rich,
I think you're missing the point that I'm trying to make. I (like many others here apparently) want one in my hands before I pull mine off, so there's no down time. We pay an extra $600 core charge which is refunded when our stock unit is returned. We also pay $160 more than the guys who send their own units in for mods. That extra cost is due to the possibility of having to refurbish the core blowers he has, and due to the cost and time that takes he can't give us the discounted price.
I get that. But what that tells me is that you guys sending in your units aren't getting any problems or wear items fixed. If that is true does everyone get that? If it's not true then he's over-charging me.
My biggest problem with this deal isn't in his mods. He does an excellent job. I have two problems. Paying more for the same thing. And it's quite likely that I will trade in my very low mile 03 unit and get somebody elses worn flaking rotor unit as an exchange. Not very good for me, plus I'll pay $160 more! If that extra $160 means I get a complete re-built unit that's one thing. But I don't think that's what he's doing, definitely not doing for group buy guys.
By the way, don't think the above exchange scenario isn't a reality, I've received two e-mails already from guys who bought these in advance and ended up with units much more worn than what they were returning.
MY SOLUTION FOR THE ABOVE
I would think the fair thing to do is give me the group buy price on the machining he does. Charge me a $600 core charge until mine is returned. IF my unit needs no re-furbishing then I receive my $600. back. If it does then I lose the $160 price savings out of my core charge. That way I get the same price as everyone else and he has a good core to machine. And I'm not punished with pricing because my core MIGHT need re-furbishing. I pay extra if it does and don't if it doesn't. The other thing is I need to know that the unit he's sending me is in as good of condition as my unit that's coming back. None of the rotor flaking issues, etc.
Jody
Last edited by camcojb; Jan 8, 2004 at 10:39 AM.
I think the misunderstanding is that some of you think that the $440 includes replacement of all bearings/seals and a full rebuild on the whole unit. We do inspect the units, and if they need bearings we call the owners and talk to them about it and quote a replacement cost for the new bearings or seals. But if you replace all of the bearings and seals in the entire unit, there's no way you can port it and rebuild it for just $440.
For the cores going out, we have not sent a whole lot of lightning cores out on our exchange program. If there are really two people that recieved exchange cores in worse condition than their original I would like to know. To date all of them traded to customers have had nearly perfect rotors, and cosmetically clean cases. The supercharger that is being prepared for Jody came off a truck with less than 1K miles.
Brian
For the cores going out, we have not sent a whole lot of lightning cores out on our exchange program. If there are really two people that recieved exchange cores in worse condition than their original I would like to know. To date all of them traded to customers have had nearly perfect rotors, and cosmetically clean cases. The supercharger that is being prepared for Jody came off a truck with less than 1K miles.
Brian
Sorry Brian tried to call last night and just a few minutes ago. I get what you're saying. So what about my thoughts? The one you're doing for me should not need any extra work, is it still $599.? The money difference isn't the issue, I can afford it. It's a principal of paying extra for something that may not happen. If my core needs refurbishing I should pay the higher price. If it doesn't I should not. Can't the final pricing be made after inspecting my core?
The two guys asked to not be named so I cannot do that. I am NOT worried about you sending me a bad unit, don't even worry about that. Your work comes highly praised, I just don't agree with the exchange policy that's all!
Have a great day.
Jody
The two guys asked to not be named so I cannot do that. I am NOT worried about you sending me a bad unit, don't even worry about that. Your work comes highly praised, I just don't agree with the exchange policy that's all!
Have a great day.
Jody
camcojb, No I don't believe I was. I was only trying to address the *physical* aspects of this upgrade. Your particular issue should be taken up with Apten as a company and not the public at large.
No disrespect intended towards ya, camcojb.
Respectfully, Rich
No disrespect intended towards ya, camcojb.
Respectfully, Rich
Originally posted by badasstruck1
Hey Camcojb If you dont agree with it dont do it! Go get a rental car and send yours in stop bitching man, I dont like alot of things but that is life!
Hey Camcojb If you dont agree with it dont do it! Go get a rental car and send yours in stop bitching man, I dont like alot of things but that is life!
Jody
Last edited by camcojb; Jan 8, 2004 at 02:12 PM.
Originally posted by wydopnthrtl
camcojb, No I don't believe I was. I was only trying to address the *physical* aspects of this upgrade. Your particular issue should be taken up with Apten as a company and not the public at large.
No disrespect intended towards ya, camcojb.
Respectfully, Rich
camcojb, No I don't believe I was. I was only trying to address the *physical* aspects of this upgrade. Your particular issue should be taken up with Apten as a company and not the public at large.
No disrespect intended towards ya, camcojb.
Respectfully, Rich
Jody
Originally posted by ShadowBolt
Also, I really think Apten should be a supporting vendor on this site to be able to peddle their services here. The price to be a supporting vendor is VERY reasonable.
Also, I really think Apten should be a supporting vendor on this site to be able to peddle their services here. The price to be a supporting vendor is VERY reasonable.
I totally agree with this statement. I was on someones thread one time, a guy asked about the blower pullies i made, and they snatched the WHOLE THREAD! They said I wasn't a supporting Vendor! I hate to see this thread go though. It's funny how my one little pic started this whole mess....well some of it anyway
I think this post got alittle off topic, i was hoping to stir up some ****, and get someone to post the picture of aptens outlet.
Ohhh well, ill try again in a few weeks =P =P
Ohhh well, ill try again in a few weeks =P =P
Originally posted by FooFur
I think this post got alittle off topic, i was hoping to stir up some ****, and get someone to post the picture of aptens outlet.
Ohhh well, ill try again in a few weeks =P =P
I think this post got alittle off topic, i was hoping to stir up some ****, and get someone to post the picture of aptens outlet.
Ohhh well, ill try again in a few weeks =P =P
BTW
I do have a Picture of one. (got it from Vinnie)
(lets just say, it's the same but differant of what your seeing here)
It's like a got dam hooker laying here naked,
and I can't touch her
OR SOMETHING
PRESSURE IS GETTING TOO MUCH

MUST POST PICTURE, MUST POST PICTURE, MUST POST PICTURE
Ok schitt, what the hell
here it is
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Originally posted by Apten_Tech
I think the misunderstanding is that some of you think that the $440 includes replacement of all bearings/seals and a full rebuild on the whole unit. We do inspect the units, and if they need bearings we call the owners and talk to them about it and quote a replacement cost for the new bearings or seals. But if you replace all of the bearings and seals in the entire unit, there's no way you can port it and rebuild it for just $440.
For the cores going out, we have not sent a whole lot of lightning cores out on our exchange program. If there are really two people that recieved exchange cores in worse condition than their original I would like to know. To date all of them traded to customers have had nearly perfect rotors, and cosmetically clean cases. The supercharger that is being prepared for Jody came off a truck with less than 1K miles.
Brian
I think the misunderstanding is that some of you think that the $440 includes replacement of all bearings/seals and a full rebuild on the whole unit. We do inspect the units, and if they need bearings we call the owners and talk to them about it and quote a replacement cost for the new bearings or seals. But if you replace all of the bearings and seals in the entire unit, there's no way you can port it and rebuild it for just $440.
For the cores going out, we have not sent a whole lot of lightning cores out on our exchange program. If there are really two people that recieved exchange cores in worse condition than their original I would like to know. To date all of them traded to customers have had nearly perfect rotors, and cosmetically clean cases. The supercharger that is being prepared for Jody came off a truck with less than 1K miles.
Brian
While the blower is here, we will check the rotors, bearing, snout, etc and make sure everything is in proper working order.


