Works 140 test mule has almost 20,000 miles on it.. How about the KB?

 

If the intake is a concern, maybe we can test the KB with the Flowzilla intake when it is released.

Also, the miles on the truck shouldn't matter. I had 25k miles on my stock block and internal 99 and beat it to death...still ran 12.0's all day long. I have seen some trucks w/ lower miles blow w/ less mods. It depends on how bad the truck has been beat on per mile and who built the motor if it isn't stock.

In the end, both blowers will make more power. Like Tommy said, it depends on other modifications...even down to the tune.

 

BLower wars at its finest!!!!!!!!!

 

Flying ****- Nobody said it was your fault that KB doesn't have a intake with theres. I said to make a honest BLOWER comparison you would have to have the same intake manifold or both companies produce their own and you would be testing blowers and manifolds. Also remember that there is a big price difference between the two and the higher one should be better?!

I have seen no honest proof to prove one better than the other. What I have seen is some awesome times reported out of the KB and some awesome dyno numbers out of the Works. All of these are on different trucks in different locations. I think it shows that no one will be dissappointed. I've already ordered my blower and chose it for my own reasons instead of everybody elses. I'd like to see a honest comparison just to know. I know which one I feel is better, but I will not say as I'm trying to be unbiased on the subject especially since NO ONE has any real proof!?!

Thanks Mike

 

I'm working on getting you that proof Mike, just like everyone else wants to know. I sent a fax to KB (since someone told me it was the best way to reach him), and I'm hoping JL will help out with KB's decision. As for what you said about about the intakes. True it's not FULLY fair since works did redo everything, but on that note, it was both their choices to make their s/c the way they did. WORKS did the complete package, and KB chose to wait a little longer on the intake. As for me, I'm trying to get real numbers for the average Joe. I'm not like most who have multiple cars, I'm just a poor college student, but I do love these trucks, so in that I want both blowers, HOW THEY ARE OFFERED, NO extra costs later on, to be strapped on to a 100% (or real close to that) L and get some dyno #'s. If they are up for it, hell, I'll even take a drive down to the closest track where we can do tests.

 

You think he's seen it by now???

 

I'm sure he's busy taking care of customers. No time to play on the boards...

 

If you are going to compare “kits”, then there can be no "add on" intake. You take what you come in each kit, and put them on a stock truck, and compare. Once you start tuning and adding other parts, you run into all sorts of issues, but I would like to se what the consumer will be getting for their $2,999, or $3850.

 

I agree with that if you are just comparing kits, but I was under the impression that we wanted to know the potentail of each blower?? The only way to do that is to have the same components before and after thats all I'm trying to say. Honestly no matter what the results are people will still argue until they are blue in the face. I personally can't wait to get mine

Hope the show down occurs....

Thanks Mike

 

Not that I have that kind of coin to be dropping on a new blower right now, but I would be most curious about two things: efficiency and reliability. I know that, even with a built-motor, I may not be out to seek the highest amount of boost out there, just the most efficient. Maybe they go hand-in-hand but I was just trying to clarify what I'd be looking for.

Second and more importantly, reliability would be key for me. Even with warranties and such, I would hate to have to go through the steps of taking off the blower, sending it in, waiting, putting it back on, retuning, etc etc etc. Thus to me reliability would be extremely important. I want a blower that I can slap on, get everything tuned right, and sleep soundly at night even after a grueling curriculum of hot laps at the track.

Just offering my .02.

 

I can't speak for the KB, but I think it was already mentioned that one of the test trucks with the WORKS 140 has already done 20,000+ daily driven miles on it(Los Angeles traffic). And I know very few of those miles were easy. And to boot, this was on a stock bottom end. I'm interested to hear how many miles the KB has on it.

TwinTR, I see where your coming from, and you're exactly right. As far as how both blowers compare performance wise, someone will need a built bottom end, and the KB will need it's intake, where max boost, blower rpms, and flow ratings can be taken.

But like Cyntaxx mentioned, money is an issue for some, and i'm going for the performance/reliablity/easy install aspect of things. And I do plan to give an honest reveiw if KB or JL would answer either this post, or the fax I sent him(KB) (since the phone was busy for an hour).

 

Not flaming you or anything...but what makes you think that KB or anyone else for that matter would reply to your fax? I can see KB taking the time for a magazine article or something or that nature. Think about it, some guy off the boards calls your business asking for a showdown? I'm sure this kind of crap happens all the time and they don't have time for it. I'm sure both companies want to sell as many blowers as possible, but we are a small segment of the Lightning crowd...There are thousands and thousands of Lightning's out there and only a few percent hit these boards. I know guys local that don't know what a forum is and buy more parts for there Lightning's than most have on there trucks. Don't forget these are multimillion dollar, established companies...not some fly by night operation. Try calling Vortech and ATI for a showdown on a Mustang...not.

 

Who says I haven't contacted a magazine? And no flame taken or intended, but if they are so sure about their product, then why can't they send someone down with a blower, doing the test and then taking the blower back and leaving with the results. (Not some crap that was in the mags with a "bazooka" air tube, 25psi on a stock bottom end, racing fuel and "no chip" B.S. ) because, maybe you're smart enough to realize, gee that's b/s if I put 25 psi to a stock bottom end it will blow, but I KNOW there are some here, and all around the world that actually believed that it wouldn't. So, if they don't have time for little ol' me, and whoever else wants to know, what's to say they'll have time for a potential customer asking questions, or a current customer with a service issue? Not directly related, but to me, falls in the same category of customer service. Wheather it be potential customer, or current customer. Sure it's a long shot, but all I see so far is WORKS, standing behind their product, with pride, willing, wanting and waiting to go through with this little test.

p.s. Just because all you've seen me talk about here is "Come on KB/JL, where are you" Doesn't mean I haven't contacted a Chip Tuner, with an in house Dyno, and a wideband a/f reader, and different magazines.

 

I would not hesitate to install either Blower on my Truck that is backed by either Sal or JL

Having said that, I think we need a package that includes a roll cage.

I think it would be nice if one of the tuners set up a jig so that the steel can be uniform, cut and nibbled and shipped via frieght truck to be welded and installed locally.

I really like Dons' cage and I think I am quoting him correctly as saying that his was about the fifth to be built by this particular party and they finally got it right.

I would hate to install a cage and then find out I can't move the seat or it is not NHRA legal

Jim

 

Not a bad idea at all....

I know I went to a cage builder a few weeks ago and got a quote for a full Cro-Molly(sp?) cage.

Only reason why I wouldn't go with that idea is because I have a potential different design to my cage. Where it exits through the cab (where most people put subs), along the lines of the bed rails (not above them, but right below) and the through the bed to the frame. This was to keep from having Lexan windows installed, keeps it possible to add/remove a bedcover with ease, and keeps it at more of a sleeper look. But I have to check and see if it's NHRA legal.