yeah so if it didn't come factory with hids then its illegal? so everyone with retrofits with hids in them has illegal headlights?

not trying to start a war with the retrofit bandwagon just curious

 

the diffrence its that when the inspector puts the headlights on at the inspection station for a car/truck that had a retro fit done, they will see a DISTINCT cut offline , therefore not raising and suspicion of it not being OEM....but for all the PnP owners...its pretty obvious that the light is scattering, and unsafe...and therefore failed!

 

I'm in florida i've never had to do an inspection but theres many ways it can be interpretted, pnp kits, bright bulbs, tampering with headlamp to put in any kind of light etc etc....who knows....for us (florida) this means anyone with hids gets a ticket now

 

I'm pretty sure the turn on time of the pnp hid's will be a pretty good giveaway of who's illegal also.

 

Not in Florida they aren't

No. LEDs don't have any proper optics to control light spread/beam width. You'd blind the hell out of everyone.

Depends. Florida state law says as long as it is white and does not produce glare, its legal. But in the above sense, yes even retrofits are part of the group.
This. If I had to take my truck for inspection I'm certain I could wiggle my way through it showing him it doesnt produce glare and it uses OEM components.

 

ya I saw you were in FL, then saw you posted up that you dont have them inspections like we do in TX. Audi is switching to all LEDs. I need to give my local shop I always go to for most big work and inspections and see what they say. my HIDs have over time just gotten dim. however I dont have the money for full on retrofits...but LEDs would be SAAWWEEEETTTT!!!!

 

in Tx, for many years now there is wording about headlights not having "glare" when on, but doesnt really define what "glare" is

 

Huh ???

Did you read the post ?
It is a retro fit of a rigid dually ( existing functioning LED lamp ) in the factory housing.

Functionally it is the same as doing a HID retro kit ( i.e. not using the factory reflector ).

Considering the number of LED lamps ( useful ones, not the DRL type ) on the market today, along with LED headlamps from manufactures, you might want to read up on this topic prior to giving this answer again.

The rigid dually and Vision-X lamps do not blind oncoming drivers.

 

Jaguar uses a Gatling gun style 7 LED housing for "brights" next to a HID projector



and you can buy them for just $2650.00
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2X-NEW-ORIGI...-/380401175157

 

ya I could get those to fit pretty easy in place of my headlights hahahaha


and sscully, with my LEDs (I have some duallys as fogs, they have the spot pattern), they are pointed down and dont have a bad glare, they are bright but wasnt as bright as the BMW that came down the road with HIDs when I was taking pictures of my truck with em on. however I think the flood pattern duallys would have a lot of glare because the optics make it spread out more than the spots.

 

The Vison-X LED lamps I installed, I used a G6 as the approaching car test case.

Once I mounted and aimed the lamps, I used the park district golf course parking lot as a test case. I parked on a fairly level surface, and drove the G6 at the truck to mimic approaching traffic.
Had another driver ( shorter ) do the same thing.
After the Vision X only test, I turned on the main headlamps ( SS bulbs ) and repeated the test.
The Vision X were no more glare causing than the main headlamps.

If fog lamps are causing glare, they are not real fog lamps ( or aimed very poorly ).
The point of fog lamps is to have a cut off that does not reflect into the fog.
Most generic aiming diagrams for fog lamps will have the light cut off, 3" lower than center of the fog lamp lens @ 25' from the front bumper.
Hella FF50 fog lamps have a light pattern distance of ~ 32 M using this method, and the widest part of the ( still usable ) light pattern ( ~ 18 M wide ) at ~ 20 M from the light source.
Any cut off not this far out ( either aimed into the ground @ 20' or using the wet thumb method of aiming ) and the fog lamps might as well be the cheap LED DRLs, as they are for show only.

Spot or Euro pattern lamps trying to be aimed as fog lamps are not going to work very well.
The cut off is not as low / crisp in most cases and this can cause glare.
A euro beam pattern is made to illuminate road signs to give an idea of the vertical light pattern. Think narrow ice cream cone with the point from the front of the truck.

I know my Hella grille lamps are driving lamp pattern, and there would be no way to use them with approaching traffic.
They can't be tilted down far enough to stop glare into the eyes of on coming traffic ( this is why I have the relays triggered by the high beams only ).

 

which vision X light bars/LEDs did you use?

post a link for easier access please

it looks like you did a good study.

 

Yes I did read it. The Dually is not acceptable for a headlamp. It has 30* narrow-beam optics for long range penetration. Look at its output:



There is no cutoff. There is no low or high beam. It is meant as an auxiliary light only. Using this for a cut & paste headlamp retro is silly.

I'm well aware of OEM LED lamps. Harley has some great ones on their bikes that I am playing with at the moment and even got to examine the new Audi models last week. However, as far as cutting and sticking a Rigid LED housing in your headlights without doing something to control the output, there is no reason for discussion. Just look at the picture posted above.

 

That might be the case with Rigid, but there are other quality LED lamps on the market that do have a cut off on them.
Rigid is not the only manufacture .

 

Right but we are talking about Rigid Industries. That is what 01f1502wd asked.