You missed the point of my post. Point being that if one is a true atheist, it would be wise to be dishonest. You went to the extreme of talking about a mad max type of world. Criminals are all around us, yet we're not killing each other for a gallon of gas.

 

He won't, he's very arrogant and thinks he knows everything, though he does include the words I'm and wrong together more frequently in his posts these days. Maybe he's coming around?

 

For a confirmed atheist, he sure does donate allot of is time and energy on the thoughts of religion.

The fact is, that people around the World have developed a belief system, no matter how different they may be. Science says man created God, due to his inability to control his surroundings. I wish every one could have an experience with God. But first you have to let go of arrogance. I don't see that happening until the end for this one.

He just like to stir things up. Even when it is re opening a dead thread

 

Since this thread is pretty much burnt out I'll comment on a recent statment that gave me a chuckle.

Would you Christians say animals can be fellow Christians?

I found that statement kinda funny from a biologist's point of view. You are also saying prairie dogs, frogs, birds and many many many other species of animals are firmer believers than humans! Many animals have this trait called altruism that puts an individual in a high state of risk to protect the others. For example, when one prairie dog spots a predator it will start making a loud call that will warn the others there is a predator very close, it will also get the predator's attention like a flare at night. Some times this will be the end of that altruistic prairie dog but the population as a whole will benefit from that one's warning call. Frogs also have a call that most of the time gets the caller eaten but warns the others of a predator. There are countless examples of this in the natural world.

By killing, stealing and so on from each other we are not being animals. Instead we are being humans.

I dont like the mosque's placement as it is intended to **** people off but at least the mosque will be built in an area where it will recieve extremely close supervision. Many plots come from the ones nobody has heard about. As for Divinity, SO WHAT?!?! Let everyone find it their way because we'll all be dead in less than 100 years anyway.From a philosophical point of view if you do a "moral" good deed hoping it will be a ticket to heaven then it's not really a good moral deed. You did it for the reward. Be as good of a person you can regardless of later benefits or punishments.

 

Your post actually helps to make my point.

God intended mankind to be above the animal kingdom. Not only in intelligence and having dominion over the animal kingdom, but primarily obedience to His will and laws.

Doing good alone does not get one into heaven, faith in Christ and repentence does.

Also, the mosque isn't being built to make people mad. It is being built like most mosques are, at or very near the site of muslim victories. An open study of that religion reveals this.

 

I'm not sure how it helps because it shows God intended to give dominion to a self destructive race that can't get along with itself in his name. But I sure hope being barbaric does not make us better than animals. To address one of your points, many animals show high levels of intelligence so we actually aren't on top in an embarrasing number of cases. Birds that you see eating from your bird feeder have spacial memory so developed I dont think humans will EVER come close, heck my trail GPS can't even remember as many specific locations as a bird does! We also learn slower and we for sure adapt slower. Farming and use of tools, old characteristic of humans besides fire, was used by animals like ants and chimpanzees. All we did besides copy was learn to divide and specialize within the species and by specializing in many areas rather than one we got ahead. Not by a golden ticket.

I was targeting that atheists are better off being dishonest. That isn't true. Working together benefits populations and to work together to advance you dont need an all powerful being holding a big stick in one hand and a treat in the other...who seems to not have been looking for the last few thousand years.

The mosque is starting to turn into the most irritating win-win I've ever seen. We will probably monitor everything that goes on in there whether we should or not and they get a propaganda victory. At least it stimulates some interesting topics!

 

As I said b4 some people feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but they have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

But to sum it up here; MUST WATCH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJM4EBuL82o

 

I was merely pointing out how religion is not necissary to be generally "good" but one is not usually considered "good" without an appropriate religious afiliation.

Haha that video is funny. I dont care what religion you are, everyone should get a laugh from that one.

 

Even though we we're off the topic found a new interesting source for the money to build the project. They are seeking a $70 million set of tax exempt bonds.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUST...2F+Top+News%29

 

I'm curious again. For anyone that thinks we do not come from the dirt. Where do we come from? My body is 100% from the soil of the Earth. If your's is not, What planet are you from?

 

I dont know about other planets but many of the celebrities are to the point where they have to be recycled because burial could be considered littering. Would we say they come from labs?

 

There is not any thing in a Lab that didn't come from the dirt. Just plain and simple

 

The oxygen we breath is from the air though...and water can be made from it to drink. I would say moon rocks but there is a theory that the moon is the product of a cosmic even a few billion years ago. Asteroids, however, aren't from Earth and we've caught some of them and brought them down.

But doesn't biblical history start 6,000 years ago? Then I guess I could use moon rocks as an example because the moon was created separately.

 

I disagree with that 100%.
I suppose it all depends on what your definition of wise is and that is entirely subjective.

For me, even though I don't believe in any afterlife nonsense, there are still very real consequences here right now that pose a threat to my well being and happiness.

If I choose to be dishonest and participate in a life of criminal behaviour, then I must face the consequences and accept that I could very well go to prison if I get caught.

A fellow doesn't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to understand this, and this is not a price I am willing to pay for a life of theiving and stealing and being dishonest.

I don't really understand why you think it would be wise to be dishonest just because someone doesn't believe in God. I wouldn't mind seeing your point of view to help me understand.

Thanks

 

Plants take co2 and turn it into o2. The plants come from the minerals of the Earth.

The earth is also a collection of asteroids and other mass that accumulated together over the eons.

One day even the Church will have to admit to evolution. But there is that missing link. Kind of strange that we know it is there, but are unable to establish it. Just like the theory of relativity. One day there will be the grand unification theory. But until then we are what we are. But the one definite that most people don't understand, is that everything there is, is made of kinetic energy. It is just in different forms, and stored as potential energy.

E=mc2