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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 01:13 PM
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If it's profitable, the Liquor/Beer and Pharmaceutical people would gladly endorse it and branch off their companies into production of MJ. The problem lies with the regulation of the MJ itself. Too many people can homegrow if it's legal and the govt has no way of regulating that and therefore no money gets to them. That's exactly why although alcohol is legal it is still illegal to make it yourself (to a certain extent). That way the govt can still tax and regulate the sale.
Its fairly hard, takes lot of space, and know how. Not everyone want to deal with that. The people who want to grow, grow already. People who smoke, smoke already. The only thing I can see changing would be a huge decrease in prison over crowding. There would not be a huge surge in pot smokers, or growers. Government could grow there own crops, sell and tax them appropriately. Already, in our local town of Santa Rosa, there is medical dispensaries who tax and make profit off the medical clubs. It can be done, it is being done. Paper could be made from hemp vs. trees. Rope from hemp vs. nylon. It would be so beneficial to this country, its really a joke its still illegal.

 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 01:16 PM
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Whats more profitable, some ganja you sell for a couple bucks, or some pills your sell (directly or through insurance) for thousands ???

Keep in mind, many of these pills have side effects, that often require more pills. more pills = more money. Think about it as business. What is more profitable. Pills. By a long shot. Which would help people more ? Ganja. Again, by a long shot.





anyways, its obvious none of his supporters care, most of the world doesn't care, just some around here who think he is "throwing away his life".

Think about it, he's a "stoner" and useless, yet his name will be remembered forever. What about yours ?
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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Do any of y'all actually watch Gamec0ck football? There is a reason he smoked some weed. That's the only way to sit through an entire losing game/season year after year. Oh but wait UNTIL NEXT YEAR!

When I worked in downtown Columbia I used to walk around campus 5 days a week. At least 4 of those I would smell pot somewhere on campus...
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyBear
That's exactly why although alcohol is legal it is still illegal to make it yourself (to a certain extent). That way the govt can still tax and regulate the sale.
Thousands of people (probably more) homebrew their own beer and wine all the time. There is just a limit to how much they can produce before they're taxed on it. No reason the same system can't be applied to growing a plant. It's actually much easier to brew your own beer than grow your own marijuana, and it takes much less time to brew beer.

Personally I think if it were ever legalized it wouldn't be the pharmaceutical companies that would take over production/sales because, again in my opinion, the market for recreational use would far outweigh medical use. It would be farmers who already have growing operations in place that could switch crops that would stand to benefit right away.

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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4
Thousands of people (probably more) homebrew their own beer and wine all the time. There is just a limit to how much they can produce before they're taxed on it. No reason the same system can't be applied to growing a plant. It's actually much easier to brew your own beer than grow your own marijuana, and it takes much less time to brew beer.

Personally I think if it were ever legalized it wouldn't be the pharmaceutical companies that would take over production/sales because, again in my opinion, the market for recreational use would far outweigh medical use. It would be farmers who already have growing operations in place that could switch crops that would stand to benefit right away.

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That's what I meant by (to a certain extent).

If the farmers could get into it then there would be that amount the govt could make the money, it's the little guy growing 20 plants a season for themselves and their buddies that the govt couldn't get their hands on that's keeping them from making it legal.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 03:03 PM
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[QUOTE]Richland County, S.C., Sheriff Leon Lott told the New York Post that he will charge Phelps with a crime if he is able to determine the 14-time Olympic gold medalist smoked marijuana in his jurisdiction./QUOTE]

okay.. I was done on this thread but after reading this I will say. Reguardless of feelings towards the product, using this guys celeb status to charge him with something from a picture is retarded. Honestly that sheriff is a ***** I hope they eat his *** up in court and phelps gets no charge. Like I said maybe I over endulged on the subject, but I realize and agree its 10% as bad as other things ppl do.

[QUOTE]Its fairly hard, takes lot of space, and know how. Not everyone want to deal with that. The people who want to grow, grow already. People who smoke, smoke already. The only thing I can see changing would be a huge decrease in prison over crowding. There would not be a huge surge in pot smokers, or growers. Government could grow there own crops, sell and tax them appropriately. Already, in our local town of Santa Rosa, there is medical dispensaries who tax and make profit off the medical clubs. It can be done, it is being done. Paper could be made from hemp vs. trees. Rope from hemp vs. nylon. It would be so beneficial to this country, its really a joke its still illegal. /QUOTE]
I only slightly disagree I have never ever used it 100% true but if it becomes legal I may.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyBear
... it's the little guy growing 20 plants a season for themselves and their buddies that the govt couldn't get their hands on that's keeping them from making it legal.
What's the difference between that and the people who brew at home? Do you think that if legalized people should not be allowed to grow at home? Even if the limit is just 1 plant?

To be able to grow, like you said, 20 plants you'd have to have an entire room of your house dedicated as a garden. You also have to buy all the equipment, nutrients, etc, plus have all the time required to tend, harvest and cure the plant. If legalized I'd guess the "street" price would drop, which would put and end to the huge profits that are currently available to those who illegally grow.

Basically, if it were cheaper to go buy a pack of high quality joints from the ABC store (liquor store, what-have-you), people wouldn't bother growing their own. Make sense?

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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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What's the difference between that and the people who brew at home? Do you think that if legalized people should not be allowed to grow at home? Even if the limit is just 1 plant?

To be able to grow, like you said, 20 plants you'd have to have an entire room of your house dedicated as a garden. You also have to buy all the equipment, nutrients, etc, plus have all the time required to tend, harvest and cure the plant. If legalized I'd guess the "street" price would drop, which would put and end to the huge profits that are currently available to those who illegally grow.

Basically, if it were cheaper to go buy a pack of high quality joints from the ABC store (liquor store, what-have-you), people wouldn't bother growing their own. Make sense?

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I don't think you are getting what I'm saying. If MJ were legal a guy could plant a few in his backyard for him and his buddies. No special equipment, no nutrients, just like people grow veggies. They would keep the seeds and replant the next year, basically making what they consume next to free. That would negate any profits and taxes the govt could levee against them. If those who chose to smoke could do that then most of the mid and high level trafficking would disappear. I'm not saying it would be that way in urban areas but rural areas like where I'm from, everyone who smoked would have their own mini-farm.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyBear
I don't think you are getting what I'm saying. If MJ were legal a guy could plant a few in his backyard for him and his buddies. No special equipment, no nutrients, just like people grow veggies. They would keep the seeds and replant the next year, basically making what they consume next to free. That would negate any profits and taxes the govt could levee against them. If those who chose to smoke could do that then most of the mid and high level trafficking would disappear. I'm not saying it would be that way in urban areas but rural areas like where I'm from, everyone who smoked would have their own mini-farm.
Growing a high quality product takes a alot more more time, know-how and effort than just throwing a few seeds in the ground and letting nature take it's course. Besides, if it cost $100, or even $500, to get a "personal growing permit", don't you think people would buy that so they'd be protected legally? If they don't have a permit and get caught, treat them like bootleg moonshiners (which are still plentiful here in NC). By the way, the last thing you ever want in your MJ are seeds!! PM if you want details.

But even if you were right, wouldn't the positives outweigh the negatives? Like you said, it'd eliminate trafficking, and there are so many more people who live in urban areas the gov't would still make a killing on sales/taxes. Especially considering how much the gov't currently spends on anti-MJ activities, without seeing so-much as making a penny earned.

Do the people who smoke cigarettes where you live grow their own tobacco?

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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4
Thousands of people (probably more) homebrew their own beer and wine all the time. There is just a limit to how much they can produce before they're taxed on it. No reason the same system can't be applied to growing a plant. It's actually much easier to brew your own beer than grow your own marijuana, and it takes much less time to brew beer.

Personally I think if it were ever legalized it wouldn't be the pharmaceutical companies that would take over production/sales because, again in my opinion, the market for recreational use would far outweigh medical use. It would be farmers who already have growing operations in place that could switch crops that would stand to benefit right away.

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Agreed 110%.

People "grow" their own booze everyday. i have tons of neighbors that do.

Also, MJ can be planted in the already existing crops. It will kill other weeds and other intrusive plants. Farmers in other parts of the world do this.

Originally Posted by SmokeyBear
I don't think you are getting what I'm saying. If MJ were legal a guy could plant a few in his backyard for him and his buddies. No special equipment, no nutrients, just like people grow veggies. They would keep the seeds and replant the next year, basically making what they consume next to free. That would negate any profits and taxes the govt could levee against them. If those who chose to smoke could do that then most of the mid and high level trafficking would disappear. I'm not saying it would be that way in urban areas but rural areas like where I'm from, everyone who smoked would have their own mini-farm.
Just like a buddy can make booze in his backyard for him and his buddies.

And no, this is not how your grow pot. You do this, you will get some headache inducing brown schwag. i wouldn't even touch the stuff. Wont get you high, mostly just a headache. You will also most likely get a male plant. Male plant = seeds. Seeds = not smoke-able. Its far more a science to it then throwing some seeds in the dirt.

Even if the government gets 0 dollars directly from taxing pot, what about the millions they would save from less prisoners. Less court cases. These non-violent "criminals" would be let free. We would no longer need to spend money on their food, on their health, on their shelter, etc etc etc. That, by itself, would save millions. Now take away some of the millions DEA and other authorities have spent on finding pot. Think of the millions of man hours tracking down these "criminals" who are simply growing some plants in their house/land/whatever. Millions of dollars are used to fight this drug, that would all be saved.

Nylon rope ? Save millions by making hemp rope.

Paper - hemp

oils lubes etc - hemp

Want me to go on ? Think beyond the box. The amount of money this plant could generate would really blow you away. With national debt at its highest, I see no reason why we should continue this archaic prohibition.

 

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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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I still think you guys are misunderstanding me. I'm all for legalizing pot.(with certain restrictions) Yes I'm a cop, and yes I said Legalize Pot. I'm just trying to give you one reason the govt. won't legalize it. It all boils down to the almighty dollar. You potheads are so used to arguing with the cops you can't even recognize when I'm agreeing with you.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by NCSU_05_FX4

Do the people who smoke cigarettes where you live grow their own tobacco?

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I quoted you just for this one question... Yes a lot of the old timers do. This is KY after all.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 11:04 PM
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Good points, Smokey, but I don't think it would knock them out of that much of a profit. They are getting 0 money right now (except fines and court costs), and with it being legal, people wouldn't have to sneak and grow it, and if potheads are anything, they're lazy, so they sure aren't going to spend time and energy growing it themselves when they can go to the store and buy a pack of Doob 100s that are just as potent as what they would have grown.
I do understand the rural VA/KY/WV ares, though, they will grow their own stuff regardless, lol!
 
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 11:06 PM
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Old Feb 3, 2009 | 11:22 PM
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I love how this turned into a legalize it thread! They always get deleted though! Even the threads about the legal plant salvia...
 
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