Cop kills a young guy
Senior Member
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,585
Likes: 0
From: Missouri
Wow, thats terrible. Is that considered being above the law? That same thing happened to my sister-in-law's boyfriends older brother. They shot and killed him though. Three boys in a truck all about 19 and they pulled over and as the cop got out of his car the truck started to roll backwards because it was a manual and the brake had not been applied. The arresting officer unloaded on them and killed his brother. This was a couple years ago around the St.Louis area i believe.
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,858
Likes: 0
From: Rohnert Park, CA
thats what they are claiming.
Even if thats the case, it doesn't justify anything. It still is negligence. negligent homicide or negligent manslaughter. Its all over the news around here.
Cop should be fired, charges pressed, and he should lose all pension. Most likely the "good ole boys" club will round up the wagons, and protect this "poor innocent" cop.
btw, he is being overwhelmed with death threats. They are having to move him around and try to protect him already.
Even if thats the case, it doesn't justify anything. It still is negligence. negligent homicide or negligent manslaughter. Its all over the news around here.
Cop should be fired, charges pressed, and he should lose all pension. Most likely the "good ole boys" club will round up the wagons, and protect this "poor innocent" cop.
btw, he is being overwhelmed with death threats. They are having to move him around and try to protect him already.
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,316
Likes: 2
From: Northern Illinois
First off the media and the public are always the first to point the blame at the police. If they wanted to help so much, you don't release videos like this until after the investigation is conducted and ALL the facts are gathered. What this "witness" just did was point the finger at the officer(s) when she has NO CLUE what is happening right there and now. Anyone can guess from a far but until you are in that position, you will never understand.
Officers are trained to carry their tasers on the opposite side of their firearm so that issues of mistakenly drawing your duty weapon will not take place. I can not say exaxtly why he drew his weapon and fired....BUT what I can say is I have personally been in situations where struggling with a suspect and to the bystander everything may seem as if the officers have control, but then you may spot a knife or gun on a struggling suspect. If you do not take IMMEDIATE action, the loss of life could be your own or your fellow officers. I've had multiple incidents were a suspect was calm while conducting a pat down, but as soon as you reach the area where they could possible be hiding something, a switch is flipped in their brain and all they want to do is get away or fight you. The media and the public also do not realize that officers are trained to shoot to kill...NOT WOUND! If you are going to use deadly force, it is suppose to be deadly. I absolutely hate when I hear people say "why didn't he shoot him in the leg or arm?" Because it is hard to shoot appendages in the first place, and if you know anything about shooting you are always taught to aim for center mass....it is the biggest part of the body and less likely to miss.
Tasers have saved my life and the lives of SUSPECTS many times but that's a whole other rant. As far as what happened here, please understand the officers point of you as I have explained, we put ourselves in dangerous situations everyday that the general public does not have to be put in and we have to make split second decisions that most people could not in the same situation.
Yes the officer could be wrong but we do not know all the facts. What appears to be happening can be very deceitful and what is actually happening can be the total opposite.
Officers are trained to carry their tasers on the opposite side of their firearm so that issues of mistakenly drawing your duty weapon will not take place. I can not say exaxtly why he drew his weapon and fired....BUT what I can say is I have personally been in situations where struggling with a suspect and to the bystander everything may seem as if the officers have control, but then you may spot a knife or gun on a struggling suspect. If you do not take IMMEDIATE action, the loss of life could be your own or your fellow officers. I've had multiple incidents were a suspect was calm while conducting a pat down, but as soon as you reach the area where they could possible be hiding something, a switch is flipped in their brain and all they want to do is get away or fight you. The media and the public also do not realize that officers are trained to shoot to kill...NOT WOUND! If you are going to use deadly force, it is suppose to be deadly. I absolutely hate when I hear people say "why didn't he shoot him in the leg or arm?" Because it is hard to shoot appendages in the first place, and if you know anything about shooting you are always taught to aim for center mass....it is the biggest part of the body and less likely to miss.
Tasers have saved my life and the lives of SUSPECTS many times but that's a whole other rant. As far as what happened here, please understand the officers point of you as I have explained, we put ourselves in dangerous situations everyday that the general public does not have to be put in and we have to make split second decisions that most people could not in the same situation.
Yes the officer could be wrong but we do not know all the facts. What appears to be happening can be very deceitful and what is actually happening can be the total opposite.
Guess you'd make a TERRIBLE member of a jury since you are so easy to jump to conclusions......
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 151
Likes: 0
From: Kansas
Since I wasnt there and only have the grainy cell phone footage to base my opinion on, my opinion means next to nothing. BUT, that looked like a straight execution to me. The guy didnt look to be in no way struggling, but it didnt look as though the cop should jump straight to shooting the guy without first using his tazer/mace/less than lethal weapon.
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,858
Likes: 0
From: Rohnert Park, CA
I agree 100%. I am well aware that officers can overreact and make mistakes, BUT UNTIL WE HAVE ALLLLL the FACTS, STATEMENTS, TESTIMONIES, we cannot make an informed judgment based on a DISTANT, GRAINY CELL PHONE video
Funny how you are basing your entire decision on what "YOU SAW" from a DISTANT, GRAINY CELL PHONE video.
Guess you'd make a TERRIBLE member of a jury since you are so easy to jump to conclusions......
Funny how you are basing your entire decision on what "YOU SAW" from a DISTANT, GRAINY CELL PHONE video.
Guess you'd make a TERRIBLE member of a jury since you are so easy to jump to conclusions......
They killed a man, who was trying to get arrested. He was trying to cooperate. Witnesses also say that this cop was not equipped with any taser of any kind, simply had his side arm. The police are saying the officer did in fact have a taser, and was reaching for that, when by mistake he grabbed the gun. Police refuse to offer proof the man was carrying a taser (refuse to show the public eye anyways).
there is other footage out there as well. here are some links, hope it works:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=...num=1&ct=title
Like I said, anyone local has been bombarded with this story. Every "breaking news fact" is reported. I have jumped to my conclusion, rightfully so IMO.
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 360
Likes: 1
From: Ky
Since there are some of the opinon that this was an unjustified shooting, I will offer one in support of a justified killing. In my opinion it looked as if the officers were in the process of beginning a search of the suspect, he got to his knees and held up his hands. SOMETHING alerted the officers and they immediately took him to his belly as a means to control him a struggle insued, it looked like he may have been trying to reach into his pockets, BOTH officers seems to step up their alert level at the same moment indicating something transpired, maybe he pulled a weapon, maybe he made a gesture that looked like he had a weapon. The officer furthest from the wall seemed to back away as the officer near the wall pulled his weapon and fired. Having been in my share of suspect takedowns this has all the earmarks of an offender struggling for a weapon and the officers acted accordingly.
This is only an opinon, I have NO facts, I have NO further information on this and I am only offering this as an educated guess.
This is only an opinon, I have NO facts, I have NO further information on this and I am only offering this as an educated guess.
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,858
Likes: 0
From: Rohnert Park, CA
Since there are some of the opinon that this was an unjustified shooting, I will offer one in support of a justified killing. In my opinion it looked as if the officers were in the process of beginning a search of the suspect, he got to his knees and held up his hands. SOMETHING alerted the officers and they immediately took him to his belly as a means to control him a struggle insued, it looked like he may have been trying to reach into his pockets, BOTH officers seems to step up their alert level at the same moment indicating something transpired, maybe he pulled a weapon, maybe he made a gesture that looked like he had a weapon. The officer furthest from the wall seemed to back away as the officer near the wall pulled his weapon and fired. Having been in my share of suspect takedowns this has all the earmarks of an offender struggling for a weapon and the officers acted accordingly.
This is only an opinon, I have NO facts, I have NO further information on this and I am only offering this as an educated guess.
This is only an opinon, I have NO facts, I have NO further information on this and I am only offering this as an educated guess.
Last time I checked, resisting arrest isn't terms for execution...
This young 22 year odl guy was killed. Wether it be in cold blood, or y negligence has yet to be proven. That is THE only questions out there. Was t accident, or on purpose. These men were pulled off the train, supposedly for causing a stir. Last I heard, that was unconfirmed.
Having a gun on the side of your hip, in a heated situation, can become an easy out. It has been shown many and many times over. When they are in fear, or panic, they reach for that trusty handgun. Not long ago, we had a troubled teen locked himself in a car. Cops got called. Sherriff arrive (far better trained then most city cops IMO). A fight broke out, two cops entered this van. One cop got kicked in the face, hard. Out of the rage of being kicked, or the "fear" or panic, he brought out his gun and fired it into the child, killing him dead.
Grant then dropped to his knees and put his hands up "in an effort to demonstrate that he was submitting to the Latino officer's thuggish display of authority," according to the claim.
But the officer dug his knee into Grant's back, causing Grant to "yell out in agony," the claim states.
Grant feared for his life and "made a valiant effort to de-escalate the situation by appealing to the officer's sense of humanity by telling the officer that he had a 4-year-old daughter" and asking the officer not to use a Taser gun on him, according to the claim.
The claim alleges that Mehserle, who was standing nearby, kneeled down and restrained Grant's hands, then "inexplicably" stood up, drew his firearm and pointed it directly at Grant's back.
The claim states, "Without so much as flinching, Officer Mehserle stood over Mr. Grant and mercilessly fired his weapon, mortally wounding Mr. Grant with a single gunshot sound to the back."
Video footage of the shooting and witness statements indicate that after Grant was shot officers placed him in handcuffs "without any justification," the claim states.
But the officer dug his knee into Grant's back, causing Grant to "yell out in agony," the claim states.
Grant feared for his life and "made a valiant effort to de-escalate the situation by appealing to the officer's sense of humanity by telling the officer that he had a 4-year-old daughter" and asking the officer not to use a Taser gun on him, according to the claim.
The claim alleges that Mehserle, who was standing nearby, kneeled down and restrained Grant's hands, then "inexplicably" stood up, drew his firearm and pointed it directly at Grant's back.
The claim states, "Without so much as flinching, Officer Mehserle stood over Mr. Grant and mercilessly fired his weapon, mortally wounding Mr. Grant with a single gunshot sound to the back."
Video footage of the shooting and witness statements indicate that after Grant was shot officers placed him in handcuffs "without any justification," the claim states.
http://www.mercurynews.com/alamedacounty/ci_11387608
Senior Member
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 327
Likes: 0
From: Ga
This all just sounds fishy to me. The victim looks as if he was detained and ready for cuffs when the officer shot him. It is hard however to make a decision whitout knowing all the facts. From what I see in the video though, the cop did the wrong thing. IMHO
Senior Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 2,226
Likes: 42
From: So. Texas
Funny how you are basing your entire decision on what "YOU SAW" from a DISTANT, GRAINY CELL PHONE video.
Guess you'd make a TERRIBLE member of a jury since you are so easy to jump to conclusions....
Yeah, this is not good and the threats against the officer need to stop. There also needs to be a mourning period for the victim as well as the officer that shot the kid. Once all of the investigation data has been put together, then the right thing will happen. But I can almost guarantee the officer will be wearing orange when it's over.
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 213
Likes: 0
From: Houston, Tx-Lake Arthur, LA
Imo, the officer looks surprised the gun went off, he didn't use finger discipline. That right there is the second scarist thing an officer has to worry about other then getting killed himself, is making a mistake that cost a humans life. We all know that when we get in this profession but **** happens.
Its sad that the boy died and the officer will get punished. That is another discussion in its own.
I wasn't there and i hate monday qb,but from my experience (15 years on streets in big city) thats the way I see it.
Prayers sent to both families!!
Its sad that the boy died and the officer will get punished. That is another discussion in its own.
I wasn't there and i hate monday qb,but from my experience (15 years on streets in big city) thats the way I see it.
Prayers sent to both families!!
Senior Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 3,858
Likes: 0
From: Rohnert Park, CA
Imo, the officer looks surprised the gun went off, he didn't use finger discipline. That right there is the second scarist thing an officer has to worry about other then getting killed himself, is making a mistake that cost a humans life. We all know that when we get in this profession but **** happens.
Its sad that the boy died and the officer will get punished. That is another discussion in its own.
I wasn't there and i hate monday qb,but from my experience (15 years on streets in big city) thats the way I see it.
Prayers sent to both families!!
Its sad that the boy died and the officer will get punished. That is another discussion in its own.
I wasn't there and i hate monday qb,but from my experience (15 years on streets in big city) thats the way I see it.
Prayers sent to both families!!
Mind if I ask: Do you feel the officer should be punished ?
Senior Member
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 213
Likes: 0
From: Houston, Tx-Lake Arthur, LA
Yes! What type of punishment I really don't know.
Look at it this way we work with our tools which happens to be a pistol. Lets say a fork lift operator accidently runs over someone due to a mistake do you throw him in jail for life, treat him like a criminal, i dont think most people would. I could go on and on. I think he should not be a peace officer every again but beyond that i don't know.
Look at it this way we work with our tools which happens to be a pistol. Lets say a fork lift operator accidently runs over someone due to a mistake do you throw him in jail for life, treat him like a criminal, i dont think most people would. I could go on and on. I think he should not be a peace officer every again but beyond that i don't know.