since i have been a member it has changed alot in the past year. definently not for the good IMO but it still kicks the other f150's forum easily. still the best forum either way.

 

Fair read, Scott. I don't concur with it but, it's a fair statement. The thing that *has* changed isn't f150online. No one is pretending.

What I've seen happen - from this side of the table - is that everyone seems to be MUCH more vocal ANY TIME someone is dismissed. Mind you, you were one that started a continual beating of the drum down here in General Discussions any time someone was dismissed - warranted or, in your opinion, unwarranted. Stringency and decision making will vary as there's no way to retract the subjective nature of how disciplinary actions work here. For your carnal knowledge, we are exploring ways to lessen the subjective nature but, again, it cannot be deleted from the equation. Also, be reminded that many of the exponents and/or integers may not always be public knowledge as the PM/warning system is frequently used here as a form of tracking problematic users.

What you didn't note 'in 06' when you joined was every time that someone was released/dismissed from the site. Other forums organization have aided in the 'communication' of dismissals. That's fine - free world. But, after looking back through the extensive list of permanently dismissed members (nearly all spammers), I can tell you that a *considerably greater* number of legitimate members were dismissed from 2005 to 2006 (and again, it appears, between 2006 and 2007) than have been from 2007 to present. IB has had nothing to do with your perceived significant departure from the normal.

Take it as a grain of salt, propaganda, or the damn truth. Not sure that I really care because *you* will hear what you want to hear and filter out what you don't. It's the web; you're entitled and should do that.

As Steve (former owner of f150online.com) communicated to me back several years ago when I wasn't even up the ranks as a Super Moderator and when I really got upset when I read this type of thread, no one is forcing anyone to stick around. The site will continue to prosper, move forward, and be successful with or without a minority of people. I subscribe to that tried and true theory (aka: fact).

 

Rock, I appreciate the response, truth be told though I am not the only person posting in this thread. Clearly I am not the only person who happens to see the changes.

 

i was part of a forum that was bought out and things changed. that was a forum with tons of posts per day. it is now a ghost town because of the way things were run. be careful it happens

i used to be a member at r6 messagenet but it went down the crapper so i've migrated over to r6 network

 

Oh Snap!

All this time I thought it was the election, racism or that Black guy running for...

 

I have looked at the list of bannings going back to 2000 and RP tells the truth. It is quite long. I have also reviewed each banning since I became a moderator and eveyone was definitely earned. As RP stated, you guys have no idea what communication nor all the altercations that might go on prior to someone being banned. I would also suggest that some of those banned might be less than fully forthright when they tell you everything about their banishment.

As to the threads locked, maybe there have been some locked or deleted that could have stayed, but, you have no idea how frustrating some of the childish posts can get. There may have been a period when there was less of this activity, but there was a time when RP pretty much had it all to himself. He now has 2 active moderators and 2 administration staff to assist, so sure, there will be more "policing".

A last thought, we are not required to explain our actions to you but do so in an effort to get those of you with some maturity to understand a little better. Sadly, some of you will never get it.

 

I hate everyone equally so I'm fair here. . .

 

is steve (webmaster) still on here anymore?

 

Scott, I'm curious. What has "changed" as you see it? What content, threads or posts in the past you find acceptable and the moderators find "childish"? Without those types of posts, the site has not been reduced to rubbish. It's very much as active and informative as the day I joined, IMO. Respectfully, it's been my experience here that many of the suspensions were warranted and the posters knew what is and is not acceptable, but freely choose to rebel. I never understood why a responsible person would choose to break fair and just rules "for the hell of it". I see more of an increase mix of people since I logged on back in '07. I believe this is a good thing and I hope this is not the change you're referencing. - Og

 

I've been here ten years.
This place has moved closer to a democracy than it ever was.

Way back in the day when this was Steve's house, when there were no moderators
(it's true, RockPick started out as a post ***** )
Steve ruled like the hand of God.
He would smite without warning (I admit I never saw what correspondence went on behind the scenes)

and Lord help you if you started a thread "What happened to my friend thus and such"
You would get smote, everybody who posted in it would get smote, if you even read it you'd get turned into a pillar of salt.
It was definetely Old Testament around here.

Today, 'moderators' actually answer in these crazy threads.

The truth is, it's between the member and management. Stay out of it.

No posts for four months.
Usually, when a buyout occurs the seller agrees to have interest for a specified time (maybe a year) to assure a smooth transition.
The buy was 16 months ago, so Steve may have indeed rode off into the sunset.
That's sad because a site will reflect it's creator so long as he has a thumb on it
and watching Steve run this place convinced me time and again
he was the smartest guy I never met.

 

You're absolutely right, you aren't required to explain yourselves. Dictators don't have to explain themselves either. Nobody wants to be part of a dictatorship though.

I enjoy being a part of this site, and have no desire to be kicked out. On the flip side, I want everyone to be able to freely express their thoughts/opinions. When people are banned, suspended, threads are deleted, etc. with no explanation, how are we supposed to learn what is and is not acceptable?

There just seems to be a lot of gray areas.

- NCSU

 

You're absolutely right, you aren't required to explain yourselves. Dictators don't have to explain themselves either. Nobody wants to be part of a dictatorship though.

I enjoy being a part of this site, and have no desire to be kicked out. On the flip side, I want everyone to be able to freely express their thoughts/opinions. When people are banned, suspended, threads are deleted, etc. with no explanation, how are we supposed to learn what is and is not acceptable? At least lock threads so we can see where the line is, and what you consider crossing it.

There just seems to be a lot of gray areas.

- NCSU

 

People know the difference between right and wrong. It's just that simple. - Og

 

As a long time member (much longer than most) I can truly say we did not have as many juvenile threads back then. In my mind that is what has changed. People did not intentionally test the limits before like they do know. The biggest challenge for the mods back then was the Lightning forum not GD. I do not think the rules have changed. I think there are just more people testing them. It has now become a game of who can push the limits without getting banned. And if someone does get banned it becomes a mod prodding session.
People want the limits to be cut and dry but like any rule or law there is interpretation and it is up to the mods to do their best to interpret them and handle each situation on its own. They are only human and can make mistakes.
Bottom line is that the management can choose what they allow and what they won't allow as they see fit. Just as Matt lets you say anything in his house, there are sites out there for just about any topic. IM or PM works as well for taboo topics.

 

Darn F-150online propaganda! That's what it is! Propaganda.

Sorry Rockpick that just made me laugh......

You guy's are doing a great job.