the difference with aliens and Jesus is that people have actually seen jesus. there are actual manuscripts talking about Jesus and his life story. there are eye-witness accounts of seeing him. The bible (new testament) is a complete life story about him. i have never seen anything on aliens

 

http://www.amazon.com/90-Minutes-Hea.../dp/0800759494

 

EnglishAdam"What? At what point in your childhood did you say to yourself "Well, I've checked out Buddhism and the rest but Christianity is the one for me".
Is that how it happened? Or were you brought up to believe in it because your parents did? That's not choice, thats a form of conditioning or as some would call it "Brainwashing"."

I believe that if you are brought up buddhist and then are introduced into christianity and do not accept jesus as you lord and savior you goto hell..

 

Ok, one of many

Mark 3:29 (New International Version)

But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."


John 1:9 (New International Version)

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Is that not a contradiction? Which one is applicable? Are you forgiven or not?
Hard to tell by reading the Bible because it is contradictory.

 

You are kidding me right? Although this is really off subject, are you telling me that you have never seen any stories with lurid accounts of people claiming to be kidnapped by aliens? You've never seen the anecdotal evidence?
C'mon man

Well it's been a fun and interesting evening y'all. Let's continue this tomorrow.

 

That is not contradictory at all
If you blaspheme against God you are denying Him and not accepting him so you will not be forgiven, Denying Christ is the ultimate sin and God says it here “But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven” (Matt. 10:33) the second verse you posted says that if we believe in him and confess our sins to Him He will forgive us and purify us.

The first verse is denying Him which he said if you deny Him you will be denied the second says that if you ACCEPT Him and ask for forgiveness then you will be forgiven...

what do you think?? any others?

 

You have a perfect example there of man trying to refute the Bible. Those are not contirdictions. They are two different statements to different people making different points. The Blasphemer in this instance is someone that goes to his grave denying God, such as many have and will do , that have posted in this thread. The other instance is someone that realaizes he is a sinner and asks forgiveness. I have looked at the so called "inconsistancies" and all they are, are people yanking different scriptures that in their own ignorance of the context seem to contadict. Sorry, I could not keep quiet any longer.

 

well i have but then again it is anecdotal so it isn't exactly a scientific legit evaluation

 

good debate here.

First of all, I was born and raised and still a member of the Methodist church.
I believe Jesus died for my sins. I am a believer, but like everyone else, I am FAR from perfect. I'm 24 and about to finish graduate school. I still cuss at rugby matches, drink a few too many beers, and do other things that don't exactly please God. I struggle with that every day, but I feel him tugging at my heart every day to get closer to him, and it's working. Why? Because I agreed to listen to him. It's that easy.

I have noticed in my life that the people who do not see God are the ones who refuse to look for him. It's easy to run your mouth saying 'prove this prove that'...that never amounts to a hill of beans. Those who genuinely see God are the ones who lie low and take time to listen.

Look around you. Every single element that makes up every part of your life...do you really think all of this just happened by chance? Our feelings, emotions, love, etc, do you really think that it's all just a 1-in-a-trillion chance that all of the conditions and elements came together to form?
Not me, I don't buy that.

Regarding EnglishAdam's Santa Claus argument:
The Santa story sound like nothing more than an excuse or even laziness; a logical story that you use to justify your beliefs. Dont take offense to that. If you're mature and stable-minded, you will think about it rather than flaming me in the next post. It doesn't matter what you're raised to believe...even if you're 85 years old and have rejected God your whole life because thats what you were raised to believe, the instant you truely believe, you are saved. Even if it's 10 seconds from your death, if you truely believe and ask God to forgive you and accept him as the keeper of your eternal soul, he will reward you with his grace.

I would rather believe for my whole life, rather than not believe and finding out there is a God.

 

nicely said green..

 

Ah... where was I disrespectful? Seriously. But thanks for calling me names. I miss the 2nd grade sometimes, you just brought me back.

EXACTLY! Christians "took over", or absorbed Pagan holidays in order to control the masses.

People who have not belonged to the Christian faith have been persecuted, murdered, raped, etc for thousands of years... all in the name of God. So naturally, fear forces people to follow the faith to avoid persecution.
Now I'm not saying this still holds as true today as it did 1k yrs ago, but how many wars have people of the Christian faith started in the name of God?

Yes, and religion is not one of the commonalities. But we still get along just swell.

So which is it?! You're born pure of heart... or you're born a sinner?

Seems like you're a lil lost.

 

But blashphemy against God is the ultimate sin, and I believe if you blashphemy against the lord(n. pl. blas·phe·mies
A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity.
The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God.
An irreverent or impious act, attitude, or utterance in regard to something considered inviolable or sacrosanct. ) then you are saying you are God or that you are better than God, blasphemy is a very strong word, and if you do it against the Lord then there i no turning back.

 

when did all this persecution occur? (if you are talking about the crusades than you have the wrong idea about what the real reason was for starting them) Last i checked it was the Christians BEING persecuted for being christians. Nero killing thousands upon thousands for being christians burning them in the middle of the city. I would be scared TO believe not the other way around.

and how many wars have been started in the name of God?? because i sure dont know.

 

We were talking about having christ delivered to you and you made the immature statement "Via Fed Ex or UPS" or something to that extent. That's a little disrespectful. You 2nd grade comment was childish and completely irrelevant to the point. I in no way made any comment that could be considered "2nd Grade". Grow up.


They say born a sinner because there is no way you can live your life without sin. Babies are pure at heart, because the lack of knowledge of the evils in this world. Not lost at all.

 

PS englishadam if you are gone, lets continue tomorrow i love debating this stuff