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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 06:38 PM
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Hey I'm just speaking of the experience from a family friend. It is what it is
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 06:40 PM
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I retract my last statement. There was a time a number of years ago when many Canadian doctors decided to jump ship and head across the border to suck off 150 insurance companies in the states rather than just one insurer here, but today, finding a doctor is not difficult.
If you live in a rural area, then okay, you may have a problem finding a doctor, but the same can be said about rural areas in the US.

There are a lot of myths about the Canadian health care system, and a lot of ignorance that goes along with it. There are pros and cons to both sides, but Canada is no third world country like some may be brainwashed into believing.
I for one would like to here more.
In Canada, if a you don't feel you've received the right diagnosis from a Doctor, how do you handle it? Do you have to appeal it, or simply go to a different Doctor?
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumba
I for one would like to here more.
In Canada, if a you don't feel you've received the right diagnosis from a Doctor, how do you handle it? Do you have to appeal it, or simply go to a different Doctor?
Get a second, third, fourth or fifth opinion if you wish. Another common misconception.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumba
I for one would like to here more.
In Canada, if a you don't feel you've received the right diagnosis from a Doctor, how do you handle it? Do you have to appeal it, or simply go to a different Doctor?
Tumba,

I'm sure you've heard of our recent "Brain Drain".
When the American Dollar was all mighty and all powerful, our doctors went south of the border in droves looking for the big salaries.

This left a void, and to some extent we're still suffering from it, but it's slowly getting better. (now that your guys dollar is in the crapper, it's getting better)

I'm talking about a regular family doctor or GP.
If you had one, you don't dare leave him because it was, and sometimes still is difficult to find one.

On the other hand, as far as specialists go, we've got lots of those guys to go around.

So if you want a second opinion on your cancer, the system will accommodate you... you most likely will have to travel to the next city to get that 2nd opinion (if you're from a small city like me) 100k+

If you're from Toronto, or a bigger centre, it not a problem.
My friend in Toronto went to 3 heart surgeons before choosing the one he felt comfortable with.

I'm not saying our system is without problems, but you won't hear a lot of Canadians complaining about it because it works pretty good.

You name the test, prod, scan, I've had it.
... and when I needed it, they didn't **** around.
The calls were made, referrals were sent, and everything was done chop chop.

I really can't ask for more.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumba
I for one would like to here more.
In Canada, if a you don't feel you've received the right diagnosis from a Doctor, how do you handle it? Do you have to appeal it, or simply go to a different Doctor?
If you want to get a heads up, read this article:

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/...th-care-part-i
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 07:21 PM
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The World Health Organization ranks Canada 30th and the US 37th.

I don't know what factors they consider but, don't get sick in Myanmar.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 07:36 PM
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I don't know what factors they consider but, don't get sick in Myanmar.
Wow, that just about the last thing on my list
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Habibi
There was a fun little utility on Facebook titled:
"Their, There, & They're"

They give you 20 sentences to use, and then you select the correct "their" via multiple choice.



Kk, now that the joke is out of the way...

Seriously, how come anytime someone is saying how crappy the Canadian health care system is, you never actually hear it from a Canadian?

Take it from me, a guy diagnosed with an incurable, terminal disease, I've been at the mercy of our 'crappy' health care system, and it's not let me down yet.

It's not perfect, and if my entitlement was based on some greasy insurance company using small print to disallow my treatment, I would've either lost everything I worked my entire life for (to pay for treatment), or I'd be dead already.

I guess the difference between our systems are that my rich neighbour (Dan Akroyd) is not so incredibly uptight and selfish, that he resents the extra testing and medical care I required.

He wasn't yelling at the top of his lungs "ya know, if Habibi's sick, f--- him, if he can't afford his own healthcare, too bad for him"

It's interesting to me how there's a correlation between ultra conservatives, holy rollers, and a deep rooted resentment towards helping the less fortunate.

This is a paradox I've never quite understood.

Why would canadians complain? they either come across the boarder and get cured, or they don't know any better. Your missing the point about Christians and conservitives. Your just not getting it... We like to give all by our selfs. We resent the government giving to others FOR us. Why is that so hard for a socialist to understand? As a people, Americans are the most giving people in the world. Without the governments help. They're, there, their, who the f cares? Guess that is the best argument you have against me. Oh well.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:06 PM
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Come to think of it there was Canadian DR. here in my small town for a few years. I could always tell he wasn't happy here! He must have moved back when things improved up there.
Alot of people here don't even realize the laws the healthcare industry here getting through the system. One day it will hit the headlines and the American public will throw a fit. The only reason I know these things is that I'm a victom of our system. I can't really complain because I was always an adrenalilene junky, and I can't blame the Doctors. The insurance companies own us and most people don't even know it.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by last5oh_302
It's not our doctors, in fact all our doctors moved to the states, so they must meet the qualifications over there.
Our problem is lack of doctors and the amount of time it takes theo receive care.
BINGO!! We finally agree on something! Break out the champain! Under a socialist health care system, there is no incentive to BECOME a doctor. The pay is fixed. People go where the money is. It is very expensive and time consuming to become a doctor.... why take 40 years to pay off the education when you can go somewhere else and pay off the education in 10 years and start making real money? I would never dis the canadian doctors. For what they go thru because of the system, they are probably some of the best doctors in the world.. they did it because of the love of the practice. But the system held them down. Now do that to America, and our health care system will be third class.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tumba
Come to think of it there was Canadian DR. here in my small town for a few years. I could always tell he wasn't happy here! He must have moved back when things improved up there.
Alot of people here don't even realize the laws the healthcare industry here getting through the system. One day it will hit the headlines and the American public will throw a fit. The only reason I know these things is that I'm a victom of our system. I can't really complain because I was always an adrenalilene junky, and I can't blame the Doctors. The insurance companies own us and most people don't even know it.
And this is where the problems in the American health care system lyes. The lawyers have a huge impact in the quality of our service. Insurance companies are a problem too. It is a fine line both walk with the public which needs health care. get rid of the lawyers and the health care of America would improve drastically. (edwards channeling a baby in the womb.. but would abort it in a second). And let the system work with COMPETITIVE health care insurance, and the best health care in the world would improve.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:37 PM
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And this is where the problems in the American health care system lyes. The lawyers have a huge impact in the quality of our service. Insurance companies are a problem too. It is a fine line both walk with the public which needs health care. get rid of the lawyers and the health care of America would improve drastically. (edwards channeling a baby in the womb.. but would abort it in a second). And let the system work with COMPETITIVE health care insurance, and the best health care in the world would improve.
The bad thing about setlement on malpractice, how can you put a $ figure on a persons abilities before and suffering after a Dr.s mistake, its catch 22.
If a person though carelssness ruins another persons life, he should beheld acountable.
What conrtrols could you put on social medicine for someone who is imcompatent.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by last5oh_302
If you want to get a heads up, read this article:

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/...th-care-part-i
I'm skiming over it. The funding part. That would beat our system all to hell.
I'll get more later ,kinda hit some of the true falses.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:47 PM
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The bad thing about setlement on malpractice, how can you put a $ figure on a persons abilities before and suffering after a Dr.s mistake, its catch 22.
If a person though carelssness ruins another persons life, he should beheld acountable.
What conrtrols could you put on social medicine for someone who is imcompatent.
If there is truely malpractice... take the doctor to the cleaners. But so little of that is true. We are all human and make a mistake now and then. A doctor is no exception. Maybe a system that looks at the history of the doctor? I agree that if some one is hurt by a doctor, that is hard to swallow.
 
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 09:03 PM
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I'm ellegable for the VA hospital, but I'll use my money up first. I'm curious really if their public healthcare is run like the VA, I don't go there because I don't like it...
I'm wondering if there is a way to do public healthcare in another mannor. Similar to here where you choose your Dr., call them make an appointment and go. Go to another if you feel he is incorect. THe VA reminds me of the dinner bell at the ranch.
 
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