How are they not more to blame? I'm a CAW worker, what the hell can I do beyond what I do now? Go and design the cars? I myself take great pride in building your 5.4's, 6.8's and Essex V-6's. Trying to put a quality engine out the door. Failing to recognize any auto segments other than trucks and SUV's is my fault how? Unbalanced trade issues with lower wage countries is mine and the companies fault how? Rising material and energy costs is my fault for what reason? People don't like a watchdog as the union has to be, a babysitter to our ever so intelligent corporate and government decision makers. I will grant you, many of the unionized people are no angels, believe me, but the ideas of any union are sound and basically serve the same purpose no matter the organization name. CAW represents nurses, fishing industries here as well as Canada's DeHavilland air industry. I'm actually not certain they still exist, but if and when they did, CAW represented them as well as many other non auto related jobs.

 

What flavor of cool aid do they serve at your union meetings? It's hilarious to see the "Mah union supports me and mah family and you just don't understand how a union works" idiots come out of the woodwork to defend their overinflated salaries. I was a member of a union once, ONCE. Only because I needed a job and I HAD to join the fu#&*$g union. Not again.

Quinton and ddellwo have stated the case, very well I might add, of why Unions are becoming a well deserved relic of how things used to be. Especially when it comes to the UAW and the ever increasing competition US manufacturers face as we keep chugging towards globalization.

 

Pony, you got it all wrong man. It's beer after the meeting. Anyways, don't get me wrong here, it's not like I go to meetings and wear CAW symbol underwear here. Like I've said in prior posts, if taking a pay cut will keep my job, do it. We have votes all the time for revisions to our collective agreement, common sense prevails and almost 100% agree.

I'd be an idiot not to accept the wages given, the company agrees to it. Now times aren't so sh+t hot, they want to trim things and here in Canada anyways haven't mentioned wage cuts yet. Non-essential services mostly. Granted, the CAW quite a bit operates differently than it's UAW partner. Unions aren't a big problem here like they seem to be in the states.

People have **** poor union experiences, once mostly and think they all work this way not knowing any better. They think the union feeds me or something. Ya right, when I need them, I call them which isn't much because everything anymore runs pretty good. People get this impression and blow it way out of proportion, thinking the union has some overwhelming grip on industry.

 

Someone else who's experienced that phenomenon. I set up a trade show in S. Korea and it wasn't nearly as bad!

So unions demanding pay increases as well as benefit increases every 3 or so years is not in any way hurting the companies?! Damn... from the OP, those guys/gals are makin $70/hr and got asked to take a $14/hr pay cut to "help the company"... HUH? So you mean to tell me you cannot live off $56/hr? You're kidding right?!

Then the union isn't doing it for ya, the company/government is taking care of that responsibility...

I'm still wondering where all the union dues go.

Again... who's surrendering?! You're going from $70/hr (OVERPAID) to $56/hr (STILL OVERPAID). What's unfair about $56/hr? I know ppl who'd slit your throat for less than half of that.
The UAW does have a proven record though... of boo-hoo-ing and being perfectly on time with their 12:01 a.m. strikes.

 

Sure, but you still have no clue, no matter what union we're discussing.

 

I love it when people want to argue about stuff they have no clue about. Like making $70.00 an hour. I am UAW and we do not I repeat do not make 70.00 an hour. We make between 25-30 an hour, but including our insurance and benefits we make over 70 an hour, but you are not getting a check for your insurance and benefits. That is why I have to laugh at those idiots who beleive we are bringing home $70 an hour worth of pay.

Don't get me wrong I make great money and have excellent benefits for now, but who knows for how long. I feel like I won the lottery and I am very greatful for my job, but you never know when the next lay off will get you. Just my .02.

 

Now if someone had said this from the get go, I'm willing to bet the "union bashing posts" would've been substantially less.

What are they looking to cut in order to make up that $14/hr? Ins., benefits, take home?

 

I never thought UAW members were bringing 70/HR paychecks in. In the end though they cost the company 70/HR and for the jobs some of these union members perform they are hardly worth this paycheck. Notice I didn't say you, maybe your worth 90/hr I dont know

 

Explain this:

 

There's no way insurance and benefits make up 40+ dollars an hour. I don't think those guys are truly making 70 an hour, but something isn't right about the money. A really good retirement/insurance package usually works up to around 6-10 bucks an hour.

 

Stay on topic. This is a UAW thread, remember?

The IAM and Lockheed work very well together. No need for explanation. It's known fact.

 

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Thanks to: UAW 249 Kansas City Assembly Plant! Great job building my 07 Lariat Supercrew.

 

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Thanks to: UAW 249 Kansas City Assembly Plant! Great job building my 07 Lariat Supercrew.
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Glad to be of service.

 

Thanks for dodging that statement.

Please don't be offended if I don't take you union dumbasses seriously when you can't explain your statements or position. You continue to say "You haven't got a clue, you don't know," blah, blah, blah, but you won't back up your talk with answers. Just don't post anymore.

 

Fix your quotes, guys.