Since you seem to know all about the pay rate of autoworkers and their "market value", can you tell me what non UAW autoworkers make?

 

The same can be said for any job, union or not.

 

I don't know what UAW members make, but I hope the people that built my 07 Lariat Screw were paid well because it is the best truck I have ever owned. I ordered it the way I wanted and it was built to perfection, or close. I have 20,000 miles now. No rattles, squeeks, anything.

 

Too much.... The UAW autoworker is the fat the automotive manufacturer's are cutting off. Walkouts, strikes.... the only way for the union to get what they want is by threatening the auto manufacturer's. I have friends in Detroit, they are now getting a cold shot of reality.

 

No, because the average person does not need a union. The average person is paid market value and can easily find a job doing the same thing for the same pay elsewhere

 

Your words prove you have no clue how a union works.

 

Not true. There are just as many overpaid slackers in any job market, union or not.

 

Nope... comes from someone who's worked for a global non-union CNC manufacturer and has had to work with unionized customers where it takes 3hrs to change a 1.5' length of hydraulic hose. Had to wait ~45mins for the shop steward (to tell him what I was gonna do)... another hour for an electrician and a plumber (cause I had to shut the CNC down and disconnect a coolant system)... 1/2hr for the machine operator... 5mins to change the hose, and then another 20 or so mins to fill out paperwork.

Or how about someone who's worked numerous times with the plumbers, electricians, carpenters and riggers at major places like McCormick Place in Chicago (IMTS & NPE)... you know... where the lead man yells "Riggers... LUNCH" and they literally drop what they're doing. Or in my case, left a 15k lb., $90k IMM robot sitting ~20' in the air for an hour as I sat watching it slowly creep to the floor cause the fork truck had a "small leak"...

I may not understand the in's and out's of your precious unions, but I've worked with enough union guys to have a bad taste permanently left in my mouth. Don't get me wrong, most union guys themselves are really cool (went out drinking with the bunch from Chicago... they paid!), it's the unions I dislike.

 

Ok Stealth. If the union is such a perfect business model why have union numbers drastically decreased? Why do some companies like The Home Depot fire you on the spot if you even mention getting a union together?
The union is a one way street that only benefits the employees

 

There's a difference between overpaid, and outright outrageously paid.

 

The average person is paid market value and can easily find a job doing the same thing for the same pay elsewhere[/QUOTE]

I am a little familiar with the construction industry and it is not true there. At least for the past 34 years that I have been involved with it.

 

That's because HD doesn't want a union there. It's the compay who lets the union in. A company benefits by hiring union represented workers.

 

Yes, and this is true in union and non union jobs, white and blue collar jobs as well.

 

I worked for a local job shop, and a bunch of the so-called "slackers" were looking to get union reps in... the president/owner came down during lunch and said the next time he hear's anything about a union, he'd shut the place down. I moved on less than a month later, and within 2 weeks of that... he did!

But if you get hurt on the job... will the union put food on your table? Pay your mortgage, phone, cable, electricity?
As far as I know, and if I'm wrong, please correct me... the union collects dues to pay itself. Which is why union workers need to make $35-40+/hr and still bring home decent $.

 

I have a high school bud that works for GM. He gets up everyday, Monday thru Friday, and goes to work just like you and I. But there is a difference. Wade makes close to $100,000.00 a year. All day long he plays computer games and cards with the other guys at the now closed factory. The union won't let GM fire them. He would love to find another job but there aren't any with his qualifications. Detroit is dying. Home values have dropped dramatically- my stepson just sold his house in Detroit and lost $45,000.00 which he will have to pay off. Hospitalization is grossly out of sight due to the union and the medical field knows the union is going to pay. His aunt has a brain tumor growing and her cost of just the exam tripled from Texas to Detroit. While the union was a necessary evolution it has become an evil evolution. The unions at one time were the savior of the working man but it has become the downfall of this society. It's called greed and the unions just want more. I'm glad I live in an open shop state. FWIW, line workers in San Antonio are making about $17.00 with benefits but don't miss a day or your job is gone. Toyota won't put up with any lazy slackers, as it should be.