Why do people strike?
Originally Posted by referee54
PSS-Mag---ithappens, trust me. It may not happen often, but I have seen it and seen the case summaries; I have worked for a couple admis that would, at times, disregard the rules. If they got called on it, OK, if not, so much the better.
IT is not a fariy tale world; it is a real world, and personlity conflicts do exist. A CBA prevents these real world situations from interfering with evaluations, job performance issues, and possible punishment issues. Trust me, I admit that it does not happen often, but I have seen it happen.
Tim C.
IT is not a fariy tale world; it is a real world, and personlity conflicts do exist. A CBA prevents these real world situations from interfering with evaluations, job performance issues, and possible punishment issues. Trust me, I admit that it does not happen often, but I have seen it happen.
Tim C.
I know it does happen occasionlly and so does racism and more commonly sexual harrasment among other things. There are laws against all of it. If it happens then I'd rather file a law suit if I was going to do anything, and I am tottally against 99.9% of all law suits. .05% of them I am undecided on and the other .05% I might could say are viable.
ETA:
Those that know me, know how hard it was for me to use the phrase (if it happens) I hate that one almost as much as the phrase (I cant).
Using the word "If" in a negative manner is setting yourself up for it to happen, you are expecting it therefore you are looking for it. If your looking for it, then inevitably you will find it, even though it probably didn't really exist...... Perception is 90% of reality.
Last edited by PSS-Mag; Oct 13, 2007 at 10:00 PM.
Here's a "for instance." Let's say that the admins.---also the supt., have an "open-door policy" on phone calls from parents.
"Hey, my Johnny tells me that the teacher said thais in class or the teacher did that in class. What the heck is going on there?"
The admin say,"I'll get right on it." He then goes to the teacher and finds out that nothing like that happened or was said.
What should happen is that the parent should call the teacher first, right? Wouldn't that be the proper channel? The admins. have to learn to say, "I can't get involved in this until you talk to the teacher. Did you talk to the teacher? No, well, then, I would like you to contact them."
This was happening a great deal to us--and we brought it up in our negotiations---and the CBA was mutually agreed uponby both the teachers as well as the school board.
Now the parents, if they have a concern, must call the teacher first---it may seem trivial to you, but it has certainly cleared up a great deal of issues much, much faster with the minimum # of phone calls. We had to "train" the parents and the admins. to follow this agreed upon procedure.
Not all cases involve lwasuits, nor are all of them a suit waiting to happen.
Tim C.
"Hey, my Johnny tells me that the teacher said thais in class or the teacher did that in class. What the heck is going on there?"
The admin say,"I'll get right on it." He then goes to the teacher and finds out that nothing like that happened or was said.
What should happen is that the parent should call the teacher first, right? Wouldn't that be the proper channel? The admins. have to learn to say, "I can't get involved in this until you talk to the teacher. Did you talk to the teacher? No, well, then, I would like you to contact them."
This was happening a great deal to us--and we brought it up in our negotiations---and the CBA was mutually agreed uponby both the teachers as well as the school board.
Now the parents, if they have a concern, must call the teacher first---it may seem trivial to you, but it has certainly cleared up a great deal of issues much, much faster with the minimum # of phone calls. We had to "train" the parents and the admins. to follow this agreed upon procedure.
Not all cases involve lwasuits, nor are all of them a suit waiting to happen.
Tim C.
Last edited by referee54; Oct 13, 2007 at 10:05 PM.
Originally Posted by referee54
Here's a "for instance." Let's say that the admins.---also the supt., have an "open-door policy" on phone calls from parents.
"Hey, my Johnny tells me that the teacher said thais in class or the teacher did that in class. What the heck is going on there?"
The admin say,"I'll get right on it." He then goes to the teacher and finds out that nothing like that happened or was said.
What should happen is that the parent should call the teacher first, right? Wouldn't that be the proper channel? The admins. have to learn to say, "I can't get involved in this until you talk to the teacher. Did you talk to the teacher? No, well, then, I would like you to contact them."
This was happening a great deal to us--and we brought it up in our negotiations---and the CBA was mutually agreed uponby both the teachers as well as the school board.
Now the parents, if they have a concern, must call the teacher first---it may seem trivial to you, but it has certainly cleared up a great deal of issues much, much faster with the minimum # of phone calls. We had to "train" the parents and the admins. to follow this agreed upon procedure.
Not all cases involve lwasuits, nor are all of them a suit waiting to happen.
Tim C.
"Hey, my Johnny tells me that the teacher said thais in class or the teacher did that in class. What the heck is going on there?"
The admin say,"I'll get right on it." He then goes to the teacher and finds out that nothing like that happened or was said.
What should happen is that the parent should call the teacher first, right? Wouldn't that be the proper channel? The admins. have to learn to say, "I can't get involved in this until you talk to the teacher. Did you talk to the teacher? No, well, then, I would like you to contact them."
This was happening a great deal to us--and we brought it up in our negotiations---and the CBA was mutually agreed uponby both the teachers as well as the school board.
Now the parents, if they have a concern, must call the teacher first---it may seem trivial to you, but it has certainly cleared up a great deal of issues much, much faster with the minimum # of phone calls. We had to "train" the parents and the admins. to follow this agreed upon procedure.
Not all cases involve lwasuits, nor are all of them a suit waiting to happen.
Tim C.
Except I'd think this would be something that the local PTA could take to the school board and have implemented. Should be a simple yea nay vote and if teh right person presents it then should be all yeas.
Even though it makes sense if the wrong person suggest it... you know that person, the one no one likes and doesnt matter if they presented something to get an extra Million in grants per season, then it would get vetoed anyway just becasue they were the ones to present it.....
But I know that even though thats the logical way... it doesnt work like that too. Like I said goverment workers (including teachers) are teh few who still need a union.
What if a teacher is streaming internet radio for her class and with out warning a song ends with an F bomb?
This actually happened yesterday in my daughters class here......

Undoubtedly she will get a few calls for it but thats about as far as it will go.
When I see her monday I will give her a hard time about it (jokingly) "they are one of my customers too". She has proven her charecter as conservative in the community numerous times, and has a proven clean teaching record, no doubt it was an accident and no one with any merit or backing will even question it.
Originally Posted by swank07'
Your part of the problem then, sorry but it's the truth.
If you pay me the difference, I'll be happy to shop elsewhere as long as the quality and selection is competitive (quality is not a problem here but for selection I have to go multiple places).
I have THREE Super Wallymarts within a 6 mile radius of my house - all open 24/7.
Originally Posted by glc
I'm no worse than the union (AND non-union) folks that want all the pay and benefits they can squeeze out of management - I want my dollars to go as far as they can and spend as little time as possible doing shopping.
If you pay me the difference, I'll be happy to shop elsewhere as long as the quality and selection is competitive (quality is not a problem here but for selection I have to go multiple places).
I have THREE Super Wallymarts within a 6 mile radius of my house - all open 24/7.
If you pay me the difference, I'll be happy to shop elsewhere as long as the quality and selection is competitive (quality is not a problem here but for selection I have to go multiple places).
I have THREE Super Wallymarts within a 6 mile radius of my house - all open 24/7.
Just need to remark on a few comments to some of those who admitted to shopping at Wal-Mart and then others tell them they are part of the problem or a sale out.
If you’re honest you could say unions are part of the problem because that is also what they have taught union and non-union workers to live. In other words get the max amount of money as possible and then spend the least amount possible therefore having a bundle left over for what ever.
Unions can’t cling on and take credit for all good things and then ignore the bad habits they passed along as well.
I have read some comments from union members who try and state when they go shopping they go out and purposely look for products made by a union or has some tie to a union. The fact of the matter is that is just BS. If that were true those union members would be starving, running around naked, living under a tree, and having a hell of a time at life.
There is very little, when compared to the whole, when it comes to products, food, shelter, that unions are ever involved with. Secondly it would be difficult to determine what was actually produced by a union employee, or produced by a non-union employee.
So, please, for the sake of creditability let’s be truthful and state union members have exactly the same shopping habits as any other American who may be a non-union employee.
Let’s also be truthful and admit union members are equally responsible for sending work overseas, or across the boarder, they are equally responsible for small businesses closing down and mom and pop shops being put out of business.
In other words a union member is no better a citizen of the United States as a non-union, they are not more pro-America then a non-union member, they are not looking out for the average worker or American anymore then a non-union person. The only “real” difference between a union person and non-union person is the union person pays some dues to belong to a group of people. At the end of the day that is the ONLY difference…
If you’re honest you could say unions are part of the problem because that is also what they have taught union and non-union workers to live. In other words get the max amount of money as possible and then spend the least amount possible therefore having a bundle left over for what ever.
Unions can’t cling on and take credit for all good things and then ignore the bad habits they passed along as well.
I have read some comments from union members who try and state when they go shopping they go out and purposely look for products made by a union or has some tie to a union. The fact of the matter is that is just BS. If that were true those union members would be starving, running around naked, living under a tree, and having a hell of a time at life.
There is very little, when compared to the whole, when it comes to products, food, shelter, that unions are ever involved with. Secondly it would be difficult to determine what was actually produced by a union employee, or produced by a non-union employee.
So, please, for the sake of creditability let’s be truthful and state union members have exactly the same shopping habits as any other American who may be a non-union employee.
Let’s also be truthful and admit union members are equally responsible for sending work overseas, or across the boarder, they are equally responsible for small businesses closing down and mom and pop shops being put out of business.
In other words a union member is no better a citizen of the United States as a non-union, they are not more pro-America then a non-union member, they are not looking out for the average worker or American anymore then a non-union person. The only “real” difference between a union person and non-union person is the union person pays some dues to belong to a group of people. At the end of the day that is the ONLY difference…
they go out and purposely look for products made by a union or has some tie to a union.
I would like to add something to the fray.
Most union made products are assembled/made from non-union made products.
I think the most interesting questions are...
1. How much pure union made product actually make it into our union-made automobiles? I am talking about everything like screws, glass plastics etc...
2. Without union made products would union made products be possible today?
3. Do the non-union workers actually enable union workers to exist by supplying necessary components?
I was a union member once and I was responsible for getting the union it's biggest settlement ever. However, the union did not like me because I was very vocal about the non-productive deadwood they kept because of seniority. The funny thing is although the company paid a huge settlement they still liked me. I was in threat of layoff and they redlined me. Basically paying a laid off worker full wages to keep me on the job. Somehow the union didn't like that even though there were 2 members paying full dues and one was getting paid in full for doing absolutely nothing.
Just do your job and fair share of work is all that I ask then no problems union or not.
Most union made products are assembled/made from non-union made products.
I think the most interesting questions are...
1. How much pure union made product actually make it into our union-made automobiles? I am talking about everything like screws, glass plastics etc...
2. Without union made products would union made products be possible today?
3. Do the non-union workers actually enable union workers to exist by supplying necessary components?
I was a union member once and I was responsible for getting the union it's biggest settlement ever. However, the union did not like me because I was very vocal about the non-productive deadwood they kept because of seniority. The funny thing is although the company paid a huge settlement they still liked me. I was in threat of layoff and they redlined me. Basically paying a laid off worker full wages to keep me on the job. Somehow the union didn't like that even though there were 2 members paying full dues and one was getting paid in full for doing absolutely nothing.
Just do your job and fair share of work is all that I ask then no problems union or not.
I have NEVER set foot in a Walmart and never will, I try to buy American Products and or at least purchase items from a union shop..
I am being truthful, yes, I have items made in other countries but I purchase from union stores.
I walk the walk and talk the talk.
And yes I'll call you a sell out, because if you didn't shop there they wouldn't be here.
WalMart is UNION in every country but the U.S.A.
Get educated my friends, I've posted evidence, you post opinions.
Here is what you can do:
http://www.iam751.org/jobs/unionstores.htm
I am being truthful, yes, I have items made in other countries but I purchase from union stores.
I walk the walk and talk the talk.
And yes I'll call you a sell out, because if you didn't shop there they wouldn't be here.
WalMart is UNION in every country but the U.S.A.
Get educated my friends, I've posted evidence, you post opinions.
Here is what you can do:
http://www.iam751.org/jobs/unionstores.htm
Originally Posted by swank07'
I have NEVER set foot in a Walmart and never will, I try to buy American Products and or at least purchase items from a union shop..
I am being truthful, yes, I have items made in other countries but I purchase from union stores.
I walk the walk and talk the talk.
And yes I'll call you a sell out, because if you didn't shop there they wouldn't be here.
WalMart is UNION in every country but the U.S.A.
Get educated my friends, I've posted evidence, you post opinions.
Here is what you can do:
http://www.iam751.org/jobs/unionstores.htm
I am being truthful, yes, I have items made in other countries but I purchase from union stores.
I walk the walk and talk the talk.
And yes I'll call you a sell out, because if you didn't shop there they wouldn't be here.
WalMart is UNION in every country but the U.S.A.
Get educated my friends, I've posted evidence, you post opinions.
Here is what you can do:
http://www.iam751.org/jobs/unionstores.htm
With the above statement and you start a thread like this????
Minimum Wage
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What is the minimum wage in your state??
I feel for some people
http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/america.htm#Washington
Where's your compassion now? It seems contradictory to me that you feel sad for low wage earners but will call them a sellout for getting the best bargains to stretch their meager budgets.
Fine. You shop where you want and buy what you want - I'll do the same, thank you. I don't go out of my way to buy non-union, I honestly could care less whether something is union or not, I buy what I want and where I feel I am getting the product I want at the best deal - and *service* does play a part here too. That's my right in a free country, as is the way you choose your purchases.
Originally Posted by glc
Fine. You shop where you want and buy what you want - I'll do the same, thank you. I don't go out of my way to buy non-union, I honestly could care less whether something is union or not, I buy what I want and where I feel I am getting the product I want at the best deal - and *service* does play a part here too. That's my right in a free country, as is the way you choose your purchases.
Don't let it get under your skin. He seems quite confused. He says no big box stores but he does not seem to want to support the local farmers and butchers (non-union). He wants to buy from union stores (chains) which I should point out that they carry a majority of non-union products like imported fruits and vegetables. He seems to care about low wage earners and doesn't like them getting good bargains.
I bet his/her shopping days are extremly long and frustrating let alone expensive.
Have you ever heard of: “Be careful what you wish for?”
Here is the deal, this is the honest truth, and anybody who disagrees with it is just not being honest.
If you had your wish and every job was union and ever store, business, etc was union there would be no jobs in America because they would all go away. Why, because products would cost so much few would be able to buy them. If few were able to buy them there is no demand. Only choice would be to send everything overseas.
With the vast majority of jobs overseas the only people who could possibly make money in America would be those who start their own business or service. Since the vast majority of Americans in general which includes the vast majority of union members have absolutely NO motivation to do for themselves they would all starve to death and die.
So, what your really wishing for would be more destructive to your “union brothers and sisters” then simply letting them make their OWN decisions to shop where they want which includes Wal-Mart that provides more jobs then any union could ever dream of.
There are more successful businesses and employees who work for non-union companies then the union could ever dream of doing for themselves.
It is UN-American to call people sell outs for simply exercising their freedom to make their own choices rather then the brain washing that happens with many union employees. That is what it really is, brain washing you all to believe and behave in a particular fashion.
There is nothing I can think of that has all union or even 50% union products in it including the products the UAW people may touch. If it wasn’t for NON-union shops and business there would be NO jobs for union people.
The union should be kissing the butts and worshiping the non-union, motivated, go getters who allow unions to exist and have a place for those in this country who have no motivation, not a go getter, and just lazy to exist and rape the rest of us with overpriced sub-par quality products such as the American automobile…
For over the past 30 to 40 years unions owe EVERYTHING to us non-union, motivated individuals who ALLOW them to exist in the first place…
Here is the deal, this is the honest truth, and anybody who disagrees with it is just not being honest.
If you had your wish and every job was union and ever store, business, etc was union there would be no jobs in America because they would all go away. Why, because products would cost so much few would be able to buy them. If few were able to buy them there is no demand. Only choice would be to send everything overseas.
With the vast majority of jobs overseas the only people who could possibly make money in America would be those who start their own business or service. Since the vast majority of Americans in general which includes the vast majority of union members have absolutely NO motivation to do for themselves they would all starve to death and die.
So, what your really wishing for would be more destructive to your “union brothers and sisters” then simply letting them make their OWN decisions to shop where they want which includes Wal-Mart that provides more jobs then any union could ever dream of.
There are more successful businesses and employees who work for non-union companies then the union could ever dream of doing for themselves.
It is UN-American to call people sell outs for simply exercising their freedom to make their own choices rather then the brain washing that happens with many union employees. That is what it really is, brain washing you all to believe and behave in a particular fashion.
There is nothing I can think of that has all union or even 50% union products in it including the products the UAW people may touch. If it wasn’t for NON-union shops and business there would be NO jobs for union people.
The union should be kissing the butts and worshiping the non-union, motivated, go getters who allow unions to exist and have a place for those in this country who have no motivation, not a go getter, and just lazy to exist and rape the rest of us with overpriced sub-par quality products such as the American automobile…
For over the past 30 to 40 years unions owe EVERYTHING to us non-union, motivated individuals who ALLOW them to exist in the first place…





