Why do people strike?
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R u kidding me???
Originally Posted by 01 XLT Sport
Many Americans, union people included, have an illusion that Toyota is a foreign made vehicle, at least their trucks but fail to understand it is an AMERICAN made vehicle just as much as an F150 is.
Both Toyota and Ford contain “foreign” parts thus making neither a “true” American built vehicle.
Unions in their time did indeed help to get us where we are today, the 8 hour day, 40 hours a week however I can guarantee you that if all unions were gone tomorrow the 8 hour day, 40 hour week would remain. Unions were brought about in a time where they were really needed. Today they are not needed because the work force, that’s us employees, set the standards now and not big business.
Manufacturing jobs, like those done where I work, or assembly type jobs like at Ford are third world type jobs, that’s the type of person it takes to do it. You do not have to be educated to perform assembly work, it does not take an education to assemble electric motors and it does not take an education to assemble an F150, it only takes someone who can breathe…
In other words an assembly type job is not worth more then $8 to $10 an hour since anybody out of high school or a high school drop out could do it. So when you pay these types of people $20 plus you prematurely inflate the “fair cost” of a product. Since your doing that those spending the extra money over what they should have to will turn to the Wal-Marts for better prices due to a assembly union person raping the rest of us from a “fair cost”…
Just curious, have you ever worked on the line at Ford, GM, Chrysler?? You seem to have all the answers as to what it takes to work there. I guess based on your statements that Toyota, the American company, is overpaying its workers in the US because they make around $20.00/hr. In the current contract talks, GM and Chrysler didn't even mention hourly pay. The difference in cost is mostly due to the fact that these companies have been in business in the good old USA for over 100 years and have retirees whereas the Japanese companies do not. Apparently, GM, Ford, Chrysler and yes even Toyota think their line workers are worth more than the guy who "assembles" your Big Mac.
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From: Lost some where in the middle of the Ozark Mountains!
Originally Posted by scott1981
GM, Ford and the others dont have a choice on the unions... Dont think for a second they would not kill the unions if they had the oppertunity
By federal law the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) allows employees to call for a special election to get rid of the union as their “exclusive representative.” This is called a Decertification Election, because employees revoke the union’s "certification" to be the “exclusive bargaining representative.”
Airline and railway workers, who are covered by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), must follow a different procedure. Many state bargaining laws that apply to state and local government employees or public school employees also have analogous procedures for decertification.)
It's not uncommon, 100's of unions are successfully voted out every year.
It may be used to change unions or get rid of union all together.
Iroanically the NLRA act is one of the things Unions like to take credit for.....
Last edited by PSS-Mag; Oct 14, 2007 at 09:03 PM.
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Hmmm.....
Anyone care to tell me what happened to the steel industry?
Of course the union answer will be environmental reasons.
I am sure labor rates have nothing to do with it.
Ok a profitability study, UPS (union) vs. Fedex (non-union). Both companies drivers make the same in benefits and pay. Both are service oriented.
Fedex employees have company matching 401K plan for drivers. UPS drivers have a contributory pension plan controlled by the teamsters.
Who do you think will be able to retire more comfortably in 15 years from now?
Do you think UPS should contribute more than Fedex to ensure the union members retire with equality compared to Fedex?
If you're union this would be a great thing to understand for your own well being.
You be the judge, open your eyes, I have worked on both sides of the fence. Personaaly, I prefer to be in charge of my own destiny rather than let a self serving entity control it.
Live well, work (union or not).
Anyone care to tell me what happened to the steel industry?
Of course the union answer will be environmental reasons.
I am sure labor rates have nothing to do with it.
Ok a profitability study, UPS (union) vs. Fedex (non-union). Both companies drivers make the same in benefits and pay. Both are service oriented.
Fedex employees have company matching 401K plan for drivers. UPS drivers have a contributory pension plan controlled by the teamsters.
Who do you think will be able to retire more comfortably in 15 years from now?
Do you think UPS should contribute more than Fedex to ensure the union members retire with equality compared to Fedex?
If you're union this would be a great thing to understand for your own well being.
You be the judge, open your eyes, I have worked on both sides of the fence. Personaaly, I prefer to be in charge of my own destiny rather than let a self serving entity control it.
Live well, work (union or not).
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Originally Posted by canyonslicker
Thanks for making my point!!!!
That or you lack simple reading comprehension skills.
I happen to think otherwise. They are better off with union workers or they wouldn't be there.
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Originally Posted by Stealth
No, you made mine! That or you lack simple reading comprehension skills.
That or you lack simple reading comprehension skills.Yeah, I know Toyota is almost bankrupt because it doesn't have a union and all it's products are crap, at least that's what it says looking thru those goggles.
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From: Lost some where in the middle of the Ozark Mountains!
Originally Posted by canyonslicker
I prefer to be in charge of my own destiny rather than let a self serving entity control it.
We all agreed that they should have planned themselfs.....
No way in haites I am relying on any single retirement plan wether my employers or advisors or personal selection. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Diversity, that is the key to security.
ETA I'm not saying dont use anything your employer offers.... heck yea take advantage of 401K and anything they want to contribute..... but dont count on employer sponsored pension.
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Originally Posted by PSS-Mag
Sure they do, it's called a Decertification.
By federal law the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) allows employees to call for a special election to get rid of the union as their “exclusive representative.” This is called a Decertification Election, because employees revoke the union’s "certification" to be the “exclusive bargaining representative.”
Airline and railway workers, who are covered by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), must follow a different procedure. Many state bargaining laws that apply to state and local government employees or public school employees also have analogous procedures for decertification.)
It's not uncommon, 100's of unions are successfully voted out every year.
It may be used to change unions or get rid of union all together.
Iroanically the NLRA act is one of the things Unions like to take credit for.....
By federal law the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) allows employees to call for a special election to get rid of the union as their “exclusive representative.” This is called a Decertification Election, because employees revoke the union’s "certification" to be the “exclusive bargaining representative.”
Airline and railway workers, who are covered by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), must follow a different procedure. Many state bargaining laws that apply to state and local government employees or public school employees also have analogous procedures for decertification.)
It's not uncommon, 100's of unions are successfully voted out every year.
It may be used to change unions or get rid of union all together.
Iroanically the NLRA act is one of the things Unions like to take credit for.....
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From: Lost some where in the middle of the Ozark Mountains!
Originally Posted by scott1981
The employees decicde that, why would they vote something that benefits them so much out. I was saying of Ford as a company could vote it out they would
Ohh sorry I thought you meant the employees.
Only benefits them if the strike works. While on stike no benefits. If teh strike doesnt work then no one wins. If the company wanted to ditch the union thats how they could do it. Out with the union and in with the scabs!
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From: Burleson, Texas
Originally Posted by canyonslicker
So I lack reading skills. Pardon me but I gave up my union decoder goggles a long time ago. I can now read words like "unprofitable due to high labor rates".
Yeah, I know Toyota is almost bankrupt because it doesn't have a union and all it's products are crap, at least that's what it says looking thru those goggles.
Yeah, I know Toyota is almost bankrupt because it doesn't have a union and all it's products are crap, at least that's what it says looking thru those goggles.
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Stealth,
Good luck, I realize history is a good teacher but a few days worth of posting is not a history lesson. I may seem ignorant to your way of thinking but I have lived many of life times. Take it how you must but trying convincing me that unions are the way to solidarity is like Jimmy Jones trying convince me that Kool-Aid is good for the soul.
Good luck, I realize history is a good teacher but a few days worth of posting is not a history lesson. I may seem ignorant to your way of thinking but I have lived many of life times. Take it how you must but trying convincing me that unions are the way to solidarity is like Jimmy Jones trying convince me that Kool-Aid is good for the soul.