what the hell is it with Toyota's?
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Ever wonder where the x-lease vehicles go? I know Chile is getting a huge number of used vehicles imported from Asia. The used car prices in Chile were outrageous the last time I was there.. When the US dollar was strong by comparson to the Canadian dollar the Cdn x-lease vehicles were exported from Canada to the US. Now with the two currencies less than 12-15 cent apart used vehicles are being imported from US to Canada. Lots of lightnings and Mercedes etc on the used car lots here.
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So I went to the Kenny Chesney Concert at Ford Field last night. Brook's and Dunn are being sponsered by Toyota and they played a stupid little commercial staring them and the toyota tundra before they came on stage, I swear there were just about as many people booing the tundra as there were cheering for brooks and dunn. At least that is how it sounded from where I was sitting.
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Originally Posted by Bighersh
Two things make that happen.
1.) The vehicle you are leasing (And at $299 a month, it's a lease, make no mistake) has an insanely high resale value. So, you only pay the amount the vehicle is expected to depreciate from it's current value- resulting in a lower note than one could otherwise expect.
2.) The seller/manufacturer is overestimating their residual value (or intentionally inflating it) to move units.
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Seeing someone with bad credit get financed, or the offering of 2.9% APR, doesn't mean the same thing as:
"We're gonna take $13,000 off the sticker, and give you a great finance rate..." Not the same thing Keller... Not the same thing.
Did I mention that on top of the $13,000 I got off the sticker, I also received 0% financing on the 2003, and 0.9% on the 2000? Those are incentives for your ***...
When everyone else is making it easier for you to get into their vehicles, the Japanese have to too, but you will rarely see 0% financing 1.9, 2.9, 3.9- but rarely will you see 0.
Of the large Japanese dealers though, I see Toyota and Nissan offers more incentive than Honda.
In fact, my wife is the only person I've ever known to get more than $500 - $1,000 off on a Honda- she got $4,000 off on the 1993 Accord we bought from Cleo Bay Honda, Killeen, TX... It ws a demo with 4,000 miles, and the new bodystyle 1994's were on the lot. But, she used to sell cars too, so she knew the game. (I learned a lot from her.)
***Why do you think you see so many Lexus, BMW's, and Mercedes on the road? It's not because so many people can afford to BUY them. But, many can afford to LEASE them. With E-Class Benz's starting at $50,000- one could expet to pay damn near $1,000 a month for that car...
Not many Americans can do that... But, when you can put $3,900 down, and lease the same car for $499- $599/month then it becomes reachable for many. Such is the case with the Tundra, F-150, etc...
Remember when leasing wasn't an option for everyone? Now it's used by many. It's offered by the dealers more so than 60 month financing.
If we were paying MSRP, and 6.9% financing, a lot of people on this board would not be driving F-150's. If so, it'd be a LOT more XL's and XLT's, and not so many Lariat's, King Ranches, HD's, etc... Not at $600 - $700 a month.
So, people lease.
1.) The vehicle you are leasing (And at $299 a month, it's a lease, make no mistake) has an insanely high resale value. So, you only pay the amount the vehicle is expected to depreciate from it's current value- resulting in a lower note than one could otherwise expect.
2.) The seller/manufacturer is overestimating their residual value (or intentionally inflating it) to move units.
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Seeing someone with bad credit get financed, or the offering of 2.9% APR, doesn't mean the same thing as:
"We're gonna take $13,000 off the sticker, and give you a great finance rate..." Not the same thing Keller... Not the same thing.
Did I mention that on top of the $13,000 I got off the sticker, I also received 0% financing on the 2003, and 0.9% on the 2000? Those are incentives for your ***...
When everyone else is making it easier for you to get into their vehicles, the Japanese have to too, but you will rarely see 0% financing 1.9, 2.9, 3.9- but rarely will you see 0.
Of the large Japanese dealers though, I see Toyota and Nissan offers more incentive than Honda.
In fact, my wife is the only person I've ever known to get more than $500 - $1,000 off on a Honda- she got $4,000 off on the 1993 Accord we bought from Cleo Bay Honda, Killeen, TX... It ws a demo with 4,000 miles, and the new bodystyle 1994's were on the lot. But, she used to sell cars too, so she knew the game. (I learned a lot from her.)
***Why do you think you see so many Lexus, BMW's, and Mercedes on the road? It's not because so many people can afford to BUY them. But, many can afford to LEASE them. With E-Class Benz's starting at $50,000- one could expet to pay damn near $1,000 a month for that car...
Not many Americans can do that... But, when you can put $3,900 down, and lease the same car for $499- $599/month then it becomes reachable for many. Such is the case with the Tundra, F-150, etc...
Remember when leasing wasn't an option for everyone? Now it's used by many. It's offered by the dealers more so than 60 month financing.
If we were paying MSRP, and 6.9% financing, a lot of people on this board would not be driving F-150's. If so, it'd be a LOT more XL's and XLT's, and not so many Lariat's, King Ranches, HD's, etc... Not at $600 - $700 a month.
So, people lease.
Lighten up Francis.
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Originally Posted by chris1450
but your missing one important point. Giving the mexican people jobs in mexico, close to the American boarder, is slowing down the illegal immigration some. There is nothing wrong with bringing up a poor neighbors economy some to help equalize things. Plus they buy a lot of goods from us Americans. Unlike japan, who won't trade fair and allow much of our products over there. Fair trade is the biggest problem I have with the japanese. I won't support them if I can help it.
So not only is America supporting the illegals over here with free health care, ect. we should take the extra step to insure the people of Mexico have jobs building our American cars right?
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From: North of Dallas, South of Frisco
Originally Posted by RollingRock
Someone **** in your cereal this morning?
Lighten up Francis.
Lighten up Francis.
America gets taxes off every car Toyota, Honda and Nissan, Subaru, Suzuki, Hyundai, Kia, BMW, Mercedes, et al sell in the US. So, no matter what you buy, you're helping "America".
Buy what you want. Ford doesn't send me a profit sharing check, so I have no loyalty to their bottom line.
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Originally Posted by WantsAHemi
So your solution to our immigration problems is to shift jobs to Mexico to support them so they WON'T come over here? Am I reading this correct? We should build up their economy and cut American Jobs since labor over there is cheaper, is that what you're saying?
So not only is America supporting the illegals over here with free health care, ect. we should take the extra step to insure the people of Mexico have jobs building our American cars right?
So not only is America supporting the illegals over here with free health care, ect. we should take the extra step to insure the people of Mexico have jobs building our American cars right?
within limits yes. Not gungho crazy send jobs to mexico, but some do help them. Is that bad? I don't think so. The cost to us taxpayers for illegal imigrants is a lot higher than you may think. If you realized the costs you might change your mind a bit.
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From: Edgerton/St Germain, WI
Originally Posted by Bighersh
Nah, I'm good... Just sitting back, reading and laughing at this "It's not an American car, it's a "foreign" car, where the dollars go, etc." argument.
America gets taxes off every car Toyota, Honda and Nissan, Subaru, Suzuki, Hyundai, Kia, BMW, Mercedes, et al sell in the US. So, no matter what you buy, you're helping "America".
Buy what you want. Ford doesn't send me a profit sharing check, so I have no loyalty to their bottom line.
America gets taxes off every car Toyota, Honda and Nissan, Subaru, Suzuki, Hyundai, Kia, BMW, Mercedes, et al sell in the US. So, no matter what you buy, you're helping "America".
Buy what you want. Ford doesn't send me a profit sharing check, so I have no loyalty to their bottom line.
Perhaps if more people thought about that, this country would be in better shape. I personally think we should boycott anything that says, "Made in China", "Made in Mexico", "Made in Taiwan", "Made in Japan" or "Made in Korea" on it.
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Back in Jan. 2004 I bought a Ford F150 STX Heritage....care to know why?
It fit my needs and Ford gave me a hell-ova deal.
I go where I (the customer) will be taken care of.
The next time I buy, I'll do my searches again...I'll start with Tyler Ford, if they cant get me in the truck I want at a fair price, I'll drive 3 blocks over to the Dodge house. If they cant meet my needs, wash, rinse and repeat until I can find a dealership that will.
If it's a toyota, Nissan, Chevy, Dodge, Ford, and it meets my needs, then that's the truck I'll buy.
It's not rocket science, I swear.
It fit my needs and Ford gave me a hell-ova deal.
I go where I (the customer) will be taken care of.
The next time I buy, I'll do my searches again...I'll start with Tyler Ford, if they cant get me in the truck I want at a fair price, I'll drive 3 blocks over to the Dodge house. If they cant meet my needs, wash, rinse and repeat until I can find a dealership that will.
If it's a toyota, Nissan, Chevy, Dodge, Ford, and it meets my needs, then that's the truck I'll buy.
It's not rocket science, I swear.
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Originally Posted by MSH
Could the next big three be Toyota, Honda and ---------?
A V-8 powered full-size sedan (Something in the Avalon/Crown Victoria ball park), with all the things built into it that Honda is known for today; and keep the car under $33,000.00.
A V-8, RWD, full-size, body on frame truck.
Honda can make v6 engines with over 300 HP, so making a v8 put out over 300 will be a snap.
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Toyota's 3rd volley is solid. Unless you drive your truck across the Ford provign grounds at that rate of speed everyday, tailgate wobble will not be a problem for 99% of consumers... THis is the only "real" thing folks can point to as bad on Toyota. I'm sure Toyota will engineer that problem away in future models.
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Nissan's next Titan will improve upon the successes of the current line. They'll probably offer more engine choices, who needs so many cab/bed configurations- that drives up R&D costs. What Nissan needs is to sweeten the Sentra back up, and get more people interested in the Maxima again. The Altima has cannibalized the Maxima something fierce. That's a problem... It's a Cadillac problem, but it's still a problem.
As for the new Sentra, it's nice under the skin, but parked next to a Civic, it seems very pedestrian. In the late 80's, early 90's, the Sentra was the hottest economy car on the market. Now, Honda has that wrapped up. The only reason the corolla beat it in units moved is because of gas mileage, and vehicles like "The Matrix" are counted as "Corollas" as well. I dunna if the Pontiac Vibe is too, after all- it's more Corolla than it is anything else... remember the Geo Prism? GM and Toyota have been bed follows for a while. GM had a little orgy going on, now that I think about it- because the Geo Tracker was a Suzuki Sidekick. The Geo Storm was the Isuzu I-Mark, and the Geo PRism was a Toyota Corolla.
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Originally Posted by MSH
Toyota is doing a lot of things right. I hope they keep it up. I belive it's hard to beat their engineering. Smoooth and powerful V8 engines, reliablity, great resale value and quality workmanship. They are giving the public what they want.........
Now if Toyota would just come out with 3/4ton, 1 ton HD trucks their line up will be almost complete. Maybe a diesel too!
They are still new to the 1/2 ton truck line-up. Ford, GM and Dodge have been making trucks a lot longer, but I think Toyota will be the one to force changes in the way the "old big three" do business and the quality of trucks they manufacture. Toyota is raising the bar higher for domestic car / truck compinies.
I just hope in their rush to surpass the "old big three" that they don't loose sight of what made them sucessful. Mass production is not always a good thing.
Could the next big three be Toyota, Honda and ---------?
-1998, F-150, 4x4, 5.4L, 80K, reg. cab, 8' bed w/ 10' alum ladder rack, 285/75/R16 Mickey Tompson MTZ, S.S. side step bars, 5% tint, Hellwig helper/overload springs, 2 additional add-a-leafs, K&N air filter, Alum. Headache rack-
Now if Toyota would just come out with 3/4ton, 1 ton HD trucks their line up will be almost complete. Maybe a diesel too!
They are still new to the 1/2 ton truck line-up. Ford, GM and Dodge have been making trucks a lot longer, but I think Toyota will be the one to force changes in the way the "old big three" do business and the quality of trucks they manufacture. Toyota is raising the bar higher for domestic car / truck compinies.
I just hope in their rush to surpass the "old big three" that they don't loose sight of what made them sucessful. Mass production is not always a good thing.
Could the next big three be Toyota, Honda and ---------?
-1998, F-150, 4x4, 5.4L, 80K, reg. cab, 8' bed w/ 10' alum ladder rack, 285/75/R16 Mickey Tompson MTZ, S.S. side step bars, 5% tint, Hellwig helper/overload springs, 2 additional add-a-leafs, K&N air filter, Alum. Headache rack-
I fail to see why some people are impressed with the new Tundra. It is the newest kid on the block and should be ahead of the game, yet it hauls less, cost more, tows less, didnt do well in the crash ratings and gets the same or worse milage the 3 year old f-150 gets. Doesnt seem like great engineering to me. People who have looked at it complain about a cheap interior with a poor layout. Nothing seems to be going Toyotas way on this one. So what they doubled sales, they have spent millions in advertising and its the first somewhat capable truck they have released. The other "half ton" they sold was no more capable than a Dodge dakota, so I would expect the sales of this model to be better.
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I don't think we will ever really know what the limit on these trucks are. Ford makes no changes (aside from the grill) to the F-150, and from 2004 - 2007 the F-150 (Which, too can only tow max payload- in long bed, short cab configuration) has gone from a 9,000 lb tow-rating to 11,000 lbs. Either it could already tow 11,000 from the giddy-up, or Ford is FOS.
Besides, anyone working a truck like the F-150 to the point that they're reaching the maximum capability of the truck, really needed an F-250 in the first place.
None of us SuperCab, SuperCrew, Lariat, King Ranch, FX2, FX4, or Harley Davidson drivers can tow anywhere near 11,000 lbs. Not according to Ford's specifications sheet anyway...
That said, I've hauled over 4,000 lbs in my 1/2 1999 F-150 SuperCab, Flareside, 2,500 lbs of that was with 50, 50 lb. bags of rocks from Lowe's. Yeah, my bumper was an inch from the pavement, but- I made it, with only 4.6L's...
PS: While the F-150 is very sweet on the inside, I've only sat in one truck I thought was head & shoulders nicer than the 2007 Tundra, and that was the 2006 GMC Sierra Denali.
I know the 2007 Sierra Denali must be absolutely insane...
PS: The Tundra not being the best truck in crashworthiness, did surprise me. Why spend all those R&D dollars to come to market with a truck that doesn't beat the current crop in every measureable area, especially in safety. I mean, Hell- Kia dethroned Toyota's Sienna minivan to become "the best and safest minivan ever built"... KIA??? Oh Dodge, where art thou? You started teh minivan craze, and now your name is hardly mentioned when one thinks of minivans...
That's not going to stop people from paying over-sticker for a Honda Odyssey, but- the point is, you go big, or stay home.
I notice that with the Japanese builders. They build to match, or slightly surpass what's out there now. They don't go for the gusto. Well, I take that back- at 381 HP, that's taking the game to another level, but with 400 HP- GMC took that crown right off the Tundra's head- being offered in a LD, non-specialty truck.
Besides, anyone working a truck like the F-150 to the point that they're reaching the maximum capability of the truck, really needed an F-250 in the first place.
None of us SuperCab, SuperCrew, Lariat, King Ranch, FX2, FX4, or Harley Davidson drivers can tow anywhere near 11,000 lbs. Not according to Ford's specifications sheet anyway...
That said, I've hauled over 4,000 lbs in my 1/2 1999 F-150 SuperCab, Flareside, 2,500 lbs of that was with 50, 50 lb. bags of rocks from Lowe's. Yeah, my bumper was an inch from the pavement, but- I made it, with only 4.6L's...
PS: While the F-150 is very sweet on the inside, I've only sat in one truck I thought was head & shoulders nicer than the 2007 Tundra, and that was the 2006 GMC Sierra Denali.
I know the 2007 Sierra Denali must be absolutely insane...
PS: The Tundra not being the best truck in crashworthiness, did surprise me. Why spend all those R&D dollars to come to market with a truck that doesn't beat the current crop in every measureable area, especially in safety. I mean, Hell- Kia dethroned Toyota's Sienna minivan to become "the best and safest minivan ever built"... KIA??? Oh Dodge, where art thou? You started teh minivan craze, and now your name is hardly mentioned when one thinks of minivans...
That's not going to stop people from paying over-sticker for a Honda Odyssey, but- the point is, you go big, or stay home.
I notice that with the Japanese builders. They build to match, or slightly surpass what's out there now. They don't go for the gusto. Well, I take that back- at 381 HP, that's taking the game to another level, but with 400 HP- GMC took that crown right off the Tundra's head- being offered in a LD, non-specialty truck.
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Originally Posted by Octane36
Actually, by buying a foreign car you are hurting America. Ford and GM invest a lot more money right back in America than do any Asian or European brands and the more you support American companies by buying their products, the more you help Americans to keep their jobs.
Perhaps if more people thought about that, this country would be in better shape. I personally think we should boycott anything that says, "Made in China", "Made in Mexico", "Made in Taiwan", "Made in Japan" or "Made in Korea" on it.
Perhaps if more people thought about that, this country would be in better shape. I personally think we should boycott anything that says, "Made in China", "Made in Mexico", "Made in Taiwan", "Made in Japan" or "Made in Korea" on it.