I'm moving up in the world, going from a disgruntled airline worker to a bitter airline worker. Contracts up and Im heading back to our building.

 

What's up booder?





jamzwayne is a little drunk tonight

 

One thing I have learned to do when drinking......stay away from the cell phone directory. :o



What it be like Jamz?

 

Chillin'

Left ya a fishing proposition in the "million" thread.

I'm about to get off here.l It's time to go sit in front of that box in my living room that entertains.

 

cool, I responded already.

Take 'er easy man.

 

Hey sparky. So i must have touched a nerve there cause you laid down quite a rant. Did I say anything about mixing mortar? NO I didnt think so... You are trying to compare mixing mortar to handleing stone that is worth more than your F-150 too funny. I dont care if you install mcc equipment or pull wire. The bottom line is the union is the way to go. Why would i bust my back for some scab-a$$ company that only pays $12.00 an hour with no pension or insurance? Laborers go through training also although it is their choice. I have gone through the mason tending, scaffold erector, asbestos removal, power vehicles, and a couple of 30 hr OSHA classes. Therefore I am a competent person and I deserve $31.55 as much as an electrician deserves $38.50. Sorry for jackin the thread.
UNION FOR LIFE

 

I have that fancy little OSHA card as well. All it says is that for some mirracle I was able to stay awake through the classes. Big deal. Oh and I got a great big book to go with it. That is actually pretty handy when people start whining about things.

Scaffold erector? Come on now.... If someone was to point to a pile of scaffold part, you would have to be a complete idiot to not be able to figure out how to put it together.

Power vehicles? Are you talking about man lifts such as boom lifts scissors lift and so on? Each switch, button, and joystich has a little pictur on it to tell you what it does. You don't even have to speak English to operate one. They even have tip-over protection circuits and warnings built into them to make them idiot proof.

A competent person? Is this by OSHA standards or in your own mind. Since you have all this OSHA training I assume you know what OSHA determines to be a competent person?

Lets test your training.

As far as OSHA is concerned in all of these situations do you need to use a safety harness?

scissors lift-
boom lift-
scaffolding-
ladder-

and in these situations how far above ground level can you work before you need to use the harness?

Keep in mind that I work indoors on a concrete floor ans a strucual fabricator, and do not use these lifts, but I do know the answers to them.

 

I don't begrudge anyone money, get all the money you can but....know that it comes with a price.

This mentality forces companies to move work overseas. Companies will only bend so much before they close or move work elsewhere. The same people who brag about making $30+/hr for a $15/hr job with complain they are out of work and can't understand why the union didn't help them.

 

What is this a game show whats my prize?

The first two any time you touch them. my power vehicles training was for a pettibone 9066.
Scaffold when you are erecting and above 6 ft without a gaurd rail system capable of withstanding 500lbs
Ladder when your beltbuckle or midpoint leaves the ladder frame. Ex. sparky reaching over to pull wire through a pipeJ/K.

I'm done with this thread... Sorry I said anything. Im sure you are good at what you do and I like to think I am to. Here's to the middle class. Working every day to build America

 

Like I said before, anyone off the street with a pulse and half a brain could do your job tomorrow. Again if you could read I am not an electrician. I simply recognize the skill and training that is involved in industrial electrical contracting, welding/fabrication, etc. Im not saying your job isnt important, but to say that its worth $30+/hr is untrue. The union may tell you its worth that much, but remember the union doesnt pay you. And when your job goes away good luck convincing an employer that your job deserves $30+/hr.

 

General Manager

But I dream to write or play in a mediocre bar band someday instead.

 

Thats what pisses me off about the snow crews. It is not a hard job, hell most of them are drunk or stoned while doing it, and none of them can do it even decent. I mean the private guys who get $40 an hour, not the municipal, they get less than half that and do a good job. Im responsible for the safety of aircraft and the passengers and I get $10 hr. Something is wrong with that picture to me.

 

hopefully not on my flight, you sound disgruntled
Maybe you need to unionize j/k

Heres my take on the unions that exist here in the oil & gas construction sector compared to the non-union companies. In the unions you are a number, they call your number, you go to work. It doesn't matter whether you know what you are doing, just show up and you get paid the same as the guy who actually does know what he's doing. Productivity is low, and costs are high when the employee has no motivation to be recognized individually for his work. This is what attracts the lazy unmotivated people in society to gravitate to the union as they have shelter from being recognized as so and big brother will stick up for them. Just to be clear, I am not saying that all unionized construction people are like this because I know there are alot of good people in unions as well. It is this other group of people who give unions a bad rep as being unproductive, in the non-union companies this same worker is sent packing and should be.

Prime example, I worked at a coal mine as a summer student that was union and seen it first hand, my brother still does work there as an electrician, he is the youngest electrician there but has to do all the complex work and more of it because his older counterparts either don't know how or just don't want to do it. He is ok with it, but what he doesn't like is that there is no recognition for his work compared to the old lazy guy who is too incompetent to do the work, they make exactly the same rate because the union says so.

What it comes down to is that jobs are a dime a dozen, if you don't like what you are getting paid, quit and go down the street to another employer. Don't try to bring down the company that chose to employ you by going on strike or wobbling (or whatever unions call it) as it will only hurt yourself and the union in the end. Sure you might get a $1.17 raise, big deal, but will you have a job in 5 years when the company can't be profitable?

 

Unions certainly get a bad rap around here.
I support my union proudly.

I'm an exotic dancer and my union insures I'm paid a decent wage.
Without union work, I'd have to get by on what the market would bear.
That wouldn't be enough to cover the costs of sequins and spandex, forcing me to give up the biz.

Union Pride - Local 2392

 

I would hate to see the market that paid to watch you dance. In your case Raoul, you definitely need a union