Please see the link below for detailed information on our support of Saddam and our lack of interest in his use of chemical weapons when it suited our purposes.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

P.S.
You are the one who is laughable!

 

I thought Iraq didnt have WMDs?

 

[QUOTE=Dr. Franko]I see that the situation is worse now than before we spent 350 billion and caused the deaths of countless thousands in order to create civil in Iraq with no end in sight.

I see that this was possibly the largest transference of wealth from the populous to special interests in the history of the world.

I see that the military industrial complex has staged a raid on the national treasury and we have accomplished noting other than the aforementioned.
QUOTE]

So the allies should have cut and run from Europe and the Pacific after some people were killed? Singapore, Dunkirk, the Phillipines, Dieppe, Hong Kong, etc.

Saddam had killed thousands of Iraqis who opposed him and tortured thousands more. But I guess since you didnt see that on CNN it wasnt all that bad.

No point in trying to create a free Iraq? No end in sight? How do ya think Britain felt during WW2? Especially when the Luftwaffe was bombing them around the clock. Funny thing, when people and their leaders have the ***** to stand up to evil regimes good will prevail. Democracy returned to Germany after how many people died and how much was spent. Looking back was that a mistake?

You dont think the manufacturers of weapons and supplies made lots of money off WW1 and WW2, Korea etc? They sure did, but the Allies never could have won without the Sherman tanks, Garand and Enfield rifles, P-51s, Spitfires, aircraft carriers, supply trucks, uniforms.

When did any good change come easily or fast?

 

Here is a very simple analogy, try to follow along.

There is a man in Nebraska that may have been making pipe bombs. He has no real means to deliver these bombs outside of his neighborhood. However he also possesses mineral rights on his property that a certain group would like to acquire. Also be aware that there are many other people who have much more powerful means of devastation armed and ready to use against us that are not connected with the man in Nebraska

Should we--
A Use our economic and political influence to insure this man can not harm us. (Note: we have the capability to destroy this man at any time should he in fact use his pipe bombs against our country)

B. Begin to flood the media with propaganda that greatly over states
this man’s threat to us in order to--

1. Attack Nebraska
2. Allow the group to seize his mineral rights
3. Allow an associated group to greatly profit from
actions associated with the bombing of and rebuilding of Nebraska.

Also please be aware that while we are attacking Nebraska we are being invaded by a horde of illegal aliens that are destroying the fabric of our society and stealing money from us that we have worked very hard over many years to attain.

 

So let him do his thing and do nothing until after he attacks you? Sounds kinda familiar, kinda like what was done in the late 30s.

 

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You forgot to mention the fact that this guy rules all of Nebraska with an iron fist. He has also killed 180,000 people from Kansas simply because they were from Kansas. We have tried to send people in, peacefully, to make sure he has stopped using these "pipe bombs" on these poor Kansans, but he has disallowed their entry.

Should we--

a) place more economic sanctions on Nebraska, thereby spiriling them further into economic depression and dependence on a dictatorship (something I mentioned earlier, but not surprisingly, you skipped right over)

b) remove him from power using some James Bond BS, have no occupying force, and cause an actual civil war

c) go in, take over, kill him, and bring peace, democracy, and economic success like we did in Japan and Germany

d) take the mineral rights in exchange for being an ally of this guy, look the other way with his crimes, and call it an international humanitarian effort

 

We could be just like the UN then,yay

 

Does anyone remember what john kerry said? "I don't have the information that the president has." he was voting for the sending of troops without full knowledge( and even he needs to understand not all info needs to be revealed, i.e., cnn telling Osama that we are tracking his cell phone). then, when it suits his political motivations, he cries that he doesn't support the war because he now has all the information because ClintonNetworkNews has hust debriefed him in 45 seconds and 3 lines on the bottom news ticker about all the wrongs of the war.

Osama stated that America was rife with greed, imorality, paganism, debauchery, hatred among other things, and that we were godless.This is exactly what ministers, pastors and preachers try to get across to you every day! Doesn't it hurt that it is true? yes it does! he believed that his teaching taught him that any non-muslim was an infidel,that means godless.he is pure evil as hitler was. he wanted one group too rule the world! muslim extremists.hitler wanted one group to rule the world. *****. He does not care about the muslims he killed on 9/11. he considers them non-willing martyrs.hitler had the means to kill millions, osama is still trying.

If i were deployable i would go back again, but i was injured the first goround over there.

why is it the dems and liberals and one republican want us to end the troop deployment, say they support the troops, call all republicans names, and NEVER have come up with a solution NOR ONE plan or idea to fix the terrorism problem. when you listen to a dem or a liberal, they think that yelling and slandering will make their point valid and correct and will not stand for anyine disagreeing with them. when you try to talk to them, all they can say is BUSH LIED! Bush, as with any other president before and every one after, gathers info from his cabinet and has to make life changing decisions every day and he deals with and accepts that responsibility. does bush want our troops home?ABSOLUTELY. do we have a job to finish? YES we do. it will affect your kids and your grandkids, though some here don''t need to procreate and indoctrinate.

study the facts presented from all sources and make intelligent decisions based on those facts. God bless our troops and please come home safe and soon. thank you for your sacrifice. i wish i could be there with you.

A Veteran

 

Vader thinks....

"Should I get involved in this one?"

"I'll tick off both sides by showing them how they are both right and yet both wrong."

Vader concludes...




But knock it off...because you guys are arguing in circles and name calling.


Got it?

 

We have closed our eyes to countless massacres throughout the world. i.e. Rwanda, East Timor ec. ec. ec,

We support many totalitarian regimes against the people who are controlled by those regimes if it suits our business interests.

We have not brought democracy to Iraq only bloody civil war.

We have not brought peace to Iraq only death and destruction.

Why do you keep brining up the Kurds when for years we supported Saddam all the while knowing of his tactics?

We are responsible for the hell that Iraq has been turned into and you sit here and talk about nonsense as if things are improving there when last Saturday alone 25 of our forces were killed and over 100 Iraqis due bombs from the civil war we that we precipitated.

What has the 350 billion, and countless lives, brought us in Iraq? Nothing!!!

How much more do you think we should invest? Perhaps a few hundred billion and thousands of more lives? And you think if we did that its going to lesson the threat of Terrorists attacking us?

Wake up its over.

 

AA pretty much killed the point you were going to make when he introduced more facts didnt he...

 

I will give your comment all the due diligence it deserves.

Let us know when you are able to present something that one might construe as either a refutation, or perhaps better, an original and meaningful thought.

 

burnnnnn...oh wait it wasnt

 

Answers and corrections in bold...then I'm done because its getting silly. There is nothing wrong with being against the war, but one should have good solid reasons for holding that opinion and should also provide some alternative solutions. A good anti-war (though mainly history) book that you might like and might help clarify things for you is Mansfield's "A History of the Middle East". You see, every endeavor you undertake will fail if you simply say "It's tough, it was a mistake, lets run away." It doesn't matter whether it is something as difficult as rebuilding that mess over there, or popping popcorn in the microwave. If you set out determined to fail and unwilling to see it through, you will fail.

Anyway, check out the book. You may find it interesting, will certainly learn a lot, and it will help out your anti stance a lot.

 

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We were having fun!