Would you support attacking Iran?
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Originally Posted by 6T6CPE
Who in Iran threw the first punch during 9/11? At the most several 100 were involved with 9/11. Not an entire country. We can't keep going into countries and creating bloodshed because of what a few 100 did. We are supposed to be civilized. We have go to get "those that are responsible" for 9/11. We are turning into a country like WWII Germany. We are only stirring the pot and creating more troubles for ourselves. Do you believe that the insurgents in Iraq will give up or run away? Our "experts" said early on there are only about 3-5000 of them. A few hundred people who were responsible for 9/11 has resulted in probably 100,000 deaths of many who are innocent. We are killing everyone except the ones who are truly responsible.
Rumsfeld and Rice are upset and complaining that Iraq isn't becoming independent quick enough. As I recall no one asked Iraq for a new government. We invade and then complain to them about their downfalls.
We are not the worlds Master. We are one country of many. This is not a game of Risk. We create many of our problems. The world hates us. And as long as we keep bullying people there are gonna be those who welcome the challenge.
Ground wars are obsolete. If this country has a problem with another then take them out and quit dragging it out for years.
Rumsfeld and Rice are upset and complaining that Iraq isn't becoming independent quick enough. As I recall no one asked Iraq for a new government. We invade and then complain to them about their downfalls.
We are not the worlds Master. We are one country of many. This is not a game of Risk. We create many of our problems. The world hates us. And as long as we keep bullying people there are gonna be those who welcome the challenge.
Ground wars are obsolete. If this country has a problem with another then take them out and quit dragging it out for years.
When a country harbors, trains and finances terrorists, they are bad. All of these 'innocent' people you are referring to are doing nothing to stop the terrorists that live in their own borders.
"We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men."
How many of our guys died in Vietnam due to assumed innocence? How many died in Afghanistan? In Iraq? I'll tell you what, 6T6CPE, if you can come up with a surefire way identify the terrorists and only the terrorists, I will stand beside you before God and country. Don't you see what kind of war these people are making? Say you are a soldier in Iraq. You but a pack of smokes at a convience store from a friendly clerk. That night, he's out planting IED's along the road take out your convoy, and kill you and your buddies. How can you expect to fight that? I'm sorry, but sometimes the innocent will die in war. We are most certainly not becoming like **** Germany, either. 2 big differences: 1. We are not invading countries for our own benefit or profit, but for our own survival. 2. We are not running prison or concentration camps. We overthrew an evil regime, and are letting the people decide how they want to run their country.
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Originally Posted by 6T6CPE
So the answer is to level any country that has nukes? What gives us that right?
In all honesty, I'm not for going nuuclear. I work on nuclear bombs for a living! Iknow exactly what they're capable of. I wish that on no one. However, we need to use any degree of force necessary to ensure that their newfounf nuclear technology does not fall into the hands of some radical faction who has declared a jihad against us. We simply cannot allow them to produce nuclear weapons.
"What gives us that right?" We have the right to survival, to protect ourselves. The blood of all of this country's warriors gives us that right. They fought and died to give us the right to live how we do. Now, these desert dwellers don't like our lifestyle, so they think they invoke the name of their god and come kill all the infidels. BS. Deny that our dead soldiers give us the right for survival....
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6T6CPE,
I didn't say that we should "level the country" I would propose surgical airstrikes on their many nuclear research facilities. Would this lead to war? Most likely, but whether you know it or not, we have been at war with Iran and other terror sponsoring countries for some time now. All that is lacking is a formal declaration of war. The time for idle thought and hoping threats would not materialize passed away on 911 along with several thousand people.
I didn't say that we should "level the country" I would propose surgical airstrikes on their many nuclear research facilities. Would this lead to war? Most likely, but whether you know it or not, we have been at war with Iran and other terror sponsoring countries for some time now. All that is lacking is a formal declaration of war. The time for idle thought and hoping threats would not materialize passed away on 911 along with several thousand people.
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Originally Posted by 98Lariet4x4
When a country harbors, trains and finances terrorists, they are bad. All of these 'innocent' people you are referring to are doing nothing to stop the terrorists that live in their own borders.
"We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men."
How many of our guys died in Vietnam due to assumed innocence? How many died in Afghanistan? In Iraq? I'll tell you what, 6T6CPE, if you can come up with a surefire way identify the terrorists and only the terrorists, I will stand beside you before God and country. Don't you see what kind of war these people are making? Say you are a soldier in Iraq. You but a pack of smokes at a convience store from a friendly clerk. That night, he's out planting IED's along the road take out your convoy, and kill you and your buddies. How can you expect to fight that? I'm sorry, but sometimes the innocent will die in war. We are most certainly not becoming like **** Germany, either. 2 big differences: 1. We are not invading countries for our own benefit or profit, but for our own survival. 2. We are not running prison or concentration camps. We overthrew an evil regime, and are letting the people decide how they want to run their country.
"We must always fear the wicked. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear the most, and that is the indifference of good men."
How many of our guys died in Vietnam due to assumed innocence? How many died in Afghanistan? In Iraq? I'll tell you what, 6T6CPE, if you can come up with a surefire way identify the terrorists and only the terrorists, I will stand beside you before God and country. Don't you see what kind of war these people are making? Say you are a soldier in Iraq. You but a pack of smokes at a convience store from a friendly clerk. That night, he's out planting IED's along the road take out your convoy, and kill you and your buddies. How can you expect to fight that? I'm sorry, but sometimes the innocent will die in war. We are most certainly not becoming like **** Germany, either. 2 big differences: 1. We are not invading countries for our own benefit or profit, but for our own survival. 2. We are not running prison or concentration camps. We overthrew an evil regime, and are letting the people decide how they want to run their country.
As for arming and training terrorists you know who armed and trained the Taliban don't you? We did. We did it for our personnal gain against Russia.
We have turned Iraq into a civil war. The people of that country did not want that. As for us leaving Iraq, 100%, I don't think it will happen in my life time.
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Have u been to Iraq? We have, the civil war stuff is B.S. Also, we weren't in Iraq on 911, but we were attacked. Explain that. When the Iranians took hostages in the 80's we weren't there then either, explain that.
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Originally Posted by USAFPATRIOT1
6T6CPE,
I didn't say that we should "level the country" I would propose surgical airstrikes on their many nuclear research facilities. Would this lead to war? Most likely, but whether you know it or not, we have been at war with Iran and other terror sponsoring countries for some time now. All that is lacking is a formal declaration of war. The time for idle thought and hoping threats would not materialize passed away on 911 along with several thousand people.
I didn't say that we should "level the country" I would propose surgical airstrikes on their many nuclear research facilities. Would this lead to war? Most likely, but whether you know it or not, we have been at war with Iran and other terror sponsoring countries for some time now. All that is lacking is a formal declaration of war. The time for idle thought and hoping threats would not materialize passed away on 911 along with several thousand people.
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And please don't pretend to know what the people of Iraq want, have you ever spoken to one of them? I have...they are grateful and good people for the most part. However, every society has that 10% of bad folks...
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We cannot just go in with nukes, there are specific and very important rules of engagement for nuclear engagment. We have to show responsibility, If we decide to use nukes, we give the green light to the five other countries that have them to use them at will. We must lead by example.
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Originally Posted by 6T6CPE
You can't identify the terrorists. That's the problem with this war. We aren't fighting with the individuals who created 9/11. We are fighting individuals who want us off their land. Bin Laden has created the trouble and he is somewhere watching all the havoc he has created.
As for arming and training terrorists you know who armed and trained the Taliban don't you? We did. We did it for our personnal gain against Russia.
We have turned Iraq into a civil war. The people of that country did not want that. As for us leaving Iraq, 100%, I don't think it will happen in my life time.
As for arming and training terrorists you know who armed and trained the Taliban don't you? We did. We did it for our personnal gain against Russia.
We have turned Iraq into a civil war. The people of that country did not want that. As for us leaving Iraq, 100%, I don't think it will happen in my life time.
That's like us turning on the police. We arm them and tell them to protect us. When we don't need them anymore, we try to kill them. Makes no sense to me. Care to clarify?
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Thanks, CrAz3D! My point exactly. Most likely, if Iran did launch a strike, it would be against Israel. If they would attack us, it would be in the usual cowardly muslim terrorist way...with suicide bombers placing suitcase nukes in major cities
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Originally Posted by USAFPATRIOT1
Have u been to Iraq? We have, the civil war stuff is B.S. Also, we weren't in Iraq on 911, but we were attacked. Explain that. When the Iranians took hostages in the 80's we weren't there then either, explain that.
Do you hear what your saying? You insinuate that American troops should be stationed world wide to prevent another 9/11.
I worked side by side with members of the Iranian Air Force in the 70s and 80s. They were pretty good people. But those are not the ones that took Americans hostage. It was Khomeni's radicals that did it. They overthrew the Shahs government that Pres Eisenhower put in place through the help of the CIA in the 1950s so we could get their oil. The Shah was also a Dictator and murderer. But that was okay. We needed his oil. And the new government wanted us out. This is nothing like Iraq or 9/11.
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Originally Posted by CrAz3D
Might I say that the president of Iran is a terrorist that took part in the Iranian hostage crisis, thing.
He's threatened to "wipe Israel (& I think the US) off the face of the earth"...this dude seems nuts. However, I don't think he is crazy enough go straight out nuke the US...he'd slip the nukes to his pals & let them have fun.
He's threatened to "wipe Israel (& I think the US) off the face of the earth"...this dude seems nuts. However, I don't think he is crazy enough go straight out nuke the US...he'd slip the nukes to his pals & let them have fun.
We don't know for sure if he was one of the guards. But if they were to attack Israel it would be their death. Israel has a superior military.
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No, your wrong, this is everything like Iraq and 911 plus more. By the way, as part of today's military i know we are ALREADY stationed worldwide... We are all over Europe and the desert. This isn't the 70s or 80s, its a whole new time, much more treacherous and a lot more is on the line. Iran wasn't on the verge of nukes back then and we didnt know our vulnerabilities then either.