@ Bullit4711 - ???

 

That’s big of you Fred, I was sorry to see this thread get so heated and I'm a little guilty of adding to it unfortunately. I guess its true when they say that thee two things you don't discuss in polite company are politics and religion. Maybe now we have seen why, it does not exactly bring out the best in most of us. I didn't vote for either of the big two but I did vote. It surprises me that voter turn out in the UK is so low, are most people apathetic, lazy, or do they just feel that they can't change things? I'm just curious, seems that your country is quite divided by several of Blair's big decisions, do you think that might translate into more voting. As I understand it with a parliamentary system you vote for the MP's and they chose a PM based on who has the most seats (or a coalition). Do you think this makes it harder to get your point across as a voter than directly (well maybe the electoral college is far from direct but you get the idea) voting for the top exec?

 

I don't vote based solely on the party.

I voted for Reagan. - Republican

I voted for Kerry. - Democrat

Rep or Dem?

I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and Bush INVITED Iraqi's to attack our CHILDREN with his "BRING ’EM ON" message!

 

So who invited Al Quesadia to ram some jets into our shiz-nit and knock off 3,000 or so of our fine citizens? Must have been Clinton, he was in office just before right? Oh, and that whole Bosnia thing didn't stir up any more hate either, right?

That 'save the children' sheet is for the birds. Screw the kids.

 

In her defense she has two children in the army so he sort of did dare them to attack her children. It wasn't the best choice of words.

 

Actually, with all due respect, it was the best thing President Bush could have every said. Get them to attack and fight our “trained and professional” armed forces rather then running around in the streets here killing innocent children…

There are no American children in Iraq, there are young adults who freely volunteered to be in Iraq because they chose to enlist into the military on their own. These are very brave people but they are not children who can not defend themselves, they are trained professionals and they are the ones that SHOULD be fighting and killing the terrorist so we don’t lose any innocent children in America…


God bless our military, the biggest baddest mothers in the world BRING IT ON!!!!

 

That's even worse. Like XLT said, they aren't any kids in our military. And Bush didn't invite anything of the sort.

And I still say screw the kids. The real kids.

 

me, I hate kids, they smell.

 

Don't forget how they slobber everything up like a friggin' St. Bernard & are little walking financial burdens... ick.

 

Children?!?!?

THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY - and as much as you invest in them is what you will get back.

"The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next."
-- Abraham Lincoln

Take what you want from this... but please consider how smart kids really can be, and know that they are ALWAYS watching you and measuring you. (Trust me, there are times when I wish that I could trade the eyes in the back of my head for a cloaking device!)

I personally felt like I voted the lessor of two evils, and it saddened me that I couldn't vote for either candidate with a happy heart and a clear conscience. Honestly, many exit polls said it was abortion and not the war that decided their choice. The possibility of the appointment of new justices weighed very heavily on the hearts of many.

 

Fatman--They smell really good if you smother them in butter onions and some of those little mushrooms and bake for about 30 minutes on 450.




Really I like them before they're teens then I hope the grandparents will take them.

 

Fatman66

In the UK, we have three main political parties, Labour - Tony Blair, Conservative- MIchael Howard and Lib Dems - Charles Kennedy.

We work on a first past the post basis, so you vote for your local MP (Member of ParLIARment) and if their party wins the most seats, they become the party of power and the leader becomes Prime Minister.

Trouble is that we have got TB (Tony Balir) who has lied to us, failed in his promises and manipulates statitistics to claim he is the best.

We have the worst Health System in Europe, so bad that we go over to France and Belgium to get operations.
Our police ignore crime and concentrate on speeding motorists (last year they generated £16 billion in speeding and other car related incidents).
Our kids pass the top exams at the rate of 97%, because they have made them easier. (Our universities now make pupils pay for their tuition, even though the politicians all had free tuition). Our petrol and diesel is the most expensive in Europe( US$7.50 per gallon).
Our taxes are the highest in Europe around 62% for middle earners.
We now have our own Guantanamo - Belmarsh where suspected terrorists have been held for three years without charges. This offend our sense of fair play.
But the main problem is that Michael Howard and Charles Kennedy have not come across as credible leaders - a bit like Kerry I suppose. So 63% of us stay at home and watch TV rather than vote.
I hope that your example might work for us. There are enough of us who want TB out, but who do we vote for?
TB just goes along with George Bush, because he hears the same messages from God. The majority of us dislike George Dubya, because Tony has become his lapdog, not because GW has pi$$ed us off. We'd just like to feel part of the solution rather than a follower. We didn't believe in the war in Iraq, because Osama was in Afghanistan/Pakistan.
Just because we (61%) are against the war, does not mean however that we don't support our soldiers. The sadness now of course is that the numbers of deaths are so high, they've just become another statistic. We heard the other day, that the Geneva Convention lot have estimated that over 100,000 Iraqi have been killed in this war - Our government claims that this figure may be slightly exagerated LOL... and now our civilians are being taken hostage and beheaded by Al Qaeda terrorists, who have found haven in Iraq. - God, who got me onto this soapbox??

Never before have I found myself so incensed that I have started to talk religion and politics at the dinner table. Fortunately, my friends are just that, and whilst we disagree about some things, we still go on to get drunk and stay friends.

So Fatman, where do we go from here? Stay with the devil you know or vote for a political wimp? Me I along with many of my fellow citizens are packing up and moving out. Myself, I'm going to live in Spain, where it's warm and things are cheaper. The main advantage, is that as I don't speak Spanish fluently, so I don't know what's going on and I live in ignorant bliss, that is of course, until the first nuclear bomb goes off! Then maybe, I can talk to my God and say, "Now tell me, about those messages......."

Talk about morbid - "THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH"


Fred

 

Who invited them? We did. Did you read the transcripts of Osama's speech? It wasn't an endorsement of a presidential candidate. It was the truth about why Muslims hate us. Do you really think they hate us because they hate freedom or because they are jealous of us? To be quite blunt, you'd have to be a fsckng moron to believe that. I said it months ago, and Osama said it in his speech. If you don't understand why some Muslims hate us, do some research. Decide if what America is doing is the right thing. If it is, then we must eat the cost, if it isn't, we need to stop doing it. Here's a hint, does anyone remember hearing about terrorist attacks before the 1950's?

 

Most Muslim countries didn't have any money before the 1950's.

 

Wrong, they had plenty of money. The Turks had a strong enough army to beat the British in the 20's. It's an irrelevant fact though, terrorism isn't exactly expensive compared to what we call traditional warfare.