Here is what makes that whole long pile of sh*t you wrote worthless. Your candidate has no hope, because every bit of it has been detroyed through his past record. Plain and simple.

Nice one Scareboy.

Um... ok. Kerry's past has proven the man that he is. You can see EXACTLY where Kerry would direct this country, and it isn't pretty!

So you finally come out and say it!!! Congrats! So all this time you have had a "gut feeling"! Yes! We now have direction in our country and it is based on loudist "gut feeling!"

And the straw continues to poor out... Soon we will be all out of straw! It has to run out someday, doesnt it?

~Colby

 

Don't worry little bull*****, when Kerry gets elected you'll still benefit.

Your obvious ignorance to his record is just that, ignorance.
I'll bet you don't even know his record, you're retransmitting what the riech tells your puny mind to believe.

Do some research on his record and not just on the titles of the bills either... that would be cheating. Look at the pork attached to the bills. Thats what most folks are usually voting against.
Maybe, just maybe you can break the shrub lock on your mind.
If not, its of no consequence, no great loss to society.

Your mantra for the next 15 days: "If I Only Had a Brain"

 

Ever notice when a lib is cornered how they lash out with hate? Watched Kerrys party lately? hmm... do I see a trend?

I am not going to say I have more experience in politics than you do, I dont know you personally and I wont be that arrogant. But I have long been involved in not only the political realm, but our society in general (for my age anyways).

I have been involved in NCFCA debate from the start of highschool, and qualified for nationals. Since highschool I have been involved in Lincoln-Douglas debates at many colleges, including UCSD (my school), PLN, UCLA and have since been judging these debates.

I could go on and on and bore you with all my credintials, but I wont, because they would mean nothing to you. Pearls to a swine. I am sure you are very well educated as well, but in the end, we just both have different opinions. I have read in depth many of the legislation that Kerry has been involved with, and I will continue to say that his voting record is very weak, showing just how weak he is on positions that are vital to the contunued strength of our great country.

I will shut up now, cause you will not get any of this. Word to the wise, arguing with the man whose mind is set, no matter how strong the evidence, no matter how great the inferences made from said evidence, the person in question will never be swayed. Its called dogma... A bias.

Now to be honest, I am biased, but my biases do not come from blind faith (or a gut feeling), I attempt to base all beliefs and opinion on what can be said as fact and confirmed through research.

So, loudist, let your voice be loud! Vote in whichever way will tickle you pink, because in the end, thats all your doing.

~Colby

 

Wow! Not a Kerry supporter??? You coulda even fooled Kerry!


By the way, I will be running for president in 35 years. Vote for me.

 

Bro, tell it like it is...

This isn't a debate. Applying debating rules to an internet messageboard is ridiculous.

IF I were you, I'd be most concerned about going overseas, even joining the guard isn't going to be an 'out' today.

The way this 'war on terror' is being handled is plain dumb.
It is being fought like it is centralised, instead of the way it really is... cell oriented. They wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11 and thats a fact proven by reports and testimony from folks who sat on the cabinet and were on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

This doesn't concern you?
This doesn't **** you off?
Doesn't this help confirm to you that shrub intentions isn't about our safety, but protecting his 'masters' status quo?
Do you know how well our 'homeland security' could be enhanced with a tenth of the money being spent in Iraq?
Our border security would be impenetrable, instead of the seive that it still is.
Putting operatives in areas of the world where terrorists actually are and take them out in a variety of ways?
Saudi's Saudi's Saudi's.
Turn that corrupted rock over to find a major component of the terror engine.
One can't do that when the Saudi royal family is in bed with you.

Here's a gut feeling, 'are you with us or against us', shrub asked.
Its quite obvious that he isn't with us, as in the citizens of the USA. He's sideing with the Saudis.
One has to ask, who was Iraq more of a threat to, Us or the Saudi's?

 

That is one point I agree with you on. We protect Saudi way to much, I see the reasons, but they arent justified. Terrorrism by far outweighs them. But I do not see Kerry doing anything different. Seriously. Tell me, what could we expect Kerry to do about the Suadi's?

 

We should have taken Saudi Arabia while we were there in 1991, alogn with Iraq. Then, we'd have 2/3rds of OPEC's resources, and gas would be $0.29/gallon.

9/11 wouldn't have happened and I could pull up to the pump and fill up BOTH of my trucks for $15.95...

Life would be grand.

 

Come on bullit, don't you know that Kerry will wave his magic wand and make everything all better. Gas will only cost $0.99/ gallon, there will be more jobs than we can fill, the stock market will jump right up, all our "allies" in the UN will get off their asses and clean up Iraq for us, we will sternly tell all the terrorists that they had better not attack us b/c we have a plan and they will all run screaming b/c we talk tough, the deficit will shrink at an amazing rate, we will all have top quality healthcare for free, and no one will pay more in taxes, except the rich. Manufacturing and tech jobs will flood back into the country to take advantage of this golden age of Kerry... Right, GWB hasn't got the answers but you are fooling yourself if you think John Kerry has any either, just empty promises, bull***** and a slogan "anyone but Bush".

 

It often takes longer to clean up mess than it does to create it.

Evidence: Push a vase off onto the floor and watch it shatter., then try to put it back together again..

Compare time spent and see what takes longer, the deft move that broke the vase, or the piece-by-piece reconstruction of the vase.

No, I don't believe Kerry can do everything he says he can- but my vote isn't based upon that. I don't think we as Americans, average Americans, can take four more years of GWB; so with that said....


Anybody But Bush is on the rear bumper of my vehicle too.

It's not that I LOVE Kerry; it's just that I want- "anybody but".

Put Colin Powell in there for all I care, or Condelezza Rice. Put Bill Maher and Dennis Miller in there, Dzervit and Rock PIck- I don't care... As long as it's "Anybody But".

 

Put Clinton back in, that would tell the tale of whether his 8 years of proserity was a fluke or not, and dispell the fantasy that it was Reagans policies from 4 years before.

Kerry? Could be great, but certainly couldn't be worse.
Bush? Can't be better, and could definitly get worse.

 

Kerry is not hope and he does not have the “common” persons interest at heart. Kerry will make for a weaker economy and send MORE jobs overseas. How you may ask, easy his socialist policies and huge tax hikes on ALL citizens that work and get a paycheck.

If anyone truly believes Kerry is only going to tax those making over $200k got their head firmly implanted up their @ss and that is a FACT.

We will NEVER be the manufacturing industry we once were, that is a FACT and it is because the vast majority of us have made that decision with our pocket book. We, as a society, do NOT want to pay for American made goods by Americans busting their ***. If we do we want those American’s busting their *** to only make minimum wage doing it and that is a FACT.

We, as a society, do NOT believe there should be unions who get their people good solid wages and benefits and that is a FACT.

How do I know so many FACT’S, simple I see it every day, I see the vast majority of American citizens telling me these FACT’S and proving these FACT’S to me by their actions.

They go to Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Home Depot, and a number of other entities that sale goods for the lowest possible price. In order for a business to sale items at the lowest possible price they have a few choices.

First, they can decide to NOT pay their employees what they are worth and not provide the benefits they should, in other words unions are NOT good (this is my perception but not my belief as I believe unions can and do, in most cases, provide a valuable service). Unions cost big business big money, as they should, if your busting your *** to make a quality product why should you NOT be able to share in the profits made because of your hard work…

Second, they can decide, as they do more and more, to send work overseas and across the borders where labor is dirt cheap. It is not ONLY about business making big profits of which they do, but it is also for business to stay competitive with other businesses and the ONLY way to do so is in the market place and the market place DICTATES the price you can charge.

If you can only sale a fan for $10 but it cost $15 to manufacture in America you are NOT going to be manufacturing this fan in America and stay in business.

Businesses are doing other things to stay competitive and keep many jobs at home when they can and that is they are going to lean manufacturing which takes less people less time to manufacture a product. When that happens it keeps some jobs here at home but in reality it comes out even because for every job you save from going overseas in lean you may well not need as many people as before to manufacture that part.

In other words, most manufacturing in America will be gone in the next 25 – 50 years because we just can NOT afford to manufacture goods in America, not unless you convince Americans to spend more money out of their pockets and that is NEVER going to happen.

Job lose, specifically because of work going overseas and lose to lean manufacturing techniques is NOT President Bush’s fault or any other Presidents fault, it is OUR fault…


Kerry does NOT have any hope, he has empty promises of socialist BS that will never come to pass. Kerry will NOT help the economy but HURT the economy by advancing at a faster rate jobs lost to overseas and across the border due to cheaper labor.

Kerry will not only cause more job lose then would be seen under President Bush but he will weaken America to the rest of the world because he does not have the courage to be a man and make a decision when needed. He wants the world's permission first, he wants an ok from Europe, he wants an ok from the United Nations before we protect ourselves.


Kerry will NOT be the next president, nor will he ever be the President…

 

Why would you want to put Clinton back in when he left us with a recession? Why would you want to put Clinton back in when he made us weak to terrorist by ignoring the problem. If you want Clinton back in then vote for Kerry, same thing different face.

Clinton, because of his taxes and other things took and ended the longest running boom in America history created by President Reagan.

 

I firmly believe that Kerry can be just as bad as Bush if not worse, that being said I wouldn't even put an "anybody but Kerry" sticker on my vehicle b/c thats the kind of attitude that gets real scary freaks swept into power. Hitler gained power by ranting on how everything sucked and he had a plan and was better than what Germany had... I'm not saying John Kerry is Hitler but I am saying that mentality is scary and usually not a good way to think. JMHO

 

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And now I'm going to count to three and clap my hands. When you hear my hands clap, you will wake up believing everything you just wrote...

1, 2, 3. <Clap!>
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Some of what you wrote makes sense- and so we're clear, by no means to I believe Mr. Kerry to be an antidote to the diseases that afflict us today. However, I am counting on the possibility that he could at least be a treatment; to at least allow America a chance to get to our collective feet.

Like I said before, I haven't been BADLY hurt by this administration; I've done well- and earning more today than I ever have; in spite of ridiculous layoffs and such; but, in doign so- in my role I have had to lay countless employees off due to certain issues, and outsourcing is one of them. Even though I've thrived by the grace of God, I haven't felt at all protected by anything going on in business, and I don't like the way the country around me, seems to be headed.

Do I feel safer today than I did before 9/11? No.

I realize Mr. Bush has had to play with a bad hand. (Sept. 11th, Dot-Com bust, aftershocks from the Y2K flop, etc..) He's had all hearts, clubs and diamonds in a game of spades. Yet- he's had some Kings, Queens and Aces in his hand; I just don't think they've been played as well as they could have been.

There's more to life than gas, but at least when OPEC put the squeeze on President Clinton in the late 90's, he cracked open the reserve to offset rising costs. Bush hasn't done that yet, meanwhile gas is $2.01, $2.11 and $2.21 a gallon. Oil has soared over $55/barrell on "predictions of winter demand", when it wasn't that it was due to a strike in Argentina, before that it was the strike in California, before that it was OPEC scalign back production, before that it was the possibility that Saudia Arabia's oil may be running out, before that it was-- well, you get my drift. Never once has this President done, or even said anything to scale back that hit for Americans. That's an easy one, and it hasn't been tackled yet.
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Yeah, I'm voting for Kerry; just because we need change. That's my way of saying- "I don't like the way things have been handled so far. You're fired." If enough people agree, he'll be fired. If not; he'll get a chance to dig us in deeper- or to fix these problems.

If Kerry wins, he'll have four years to make some changes, if I don't like Kerry in 2008, I'll fire him too.

I'm an equal opportunity firer...

 

It sure does give morons the feeling that they just experienced a moment of clarity though. It's all about scaring the people that aren't paying much attention into voting your way.