I have. They were all bashing him too. One is ex special forces, two purple heart and he was in the midst of it all. A prince of a man. He is not voting for Kerry because he can see through the mans political agenda. Most cant, plain and simple.

 

I will second that! And thanks to all who still serve and protect those of us at home and the freedoms that we have!

~Colby

 

One of the issues that the left continuously tries to stick down my throat just really pisses me off.

Somehow, because I am an American born white man who has taken the challenges to better myself and my family's position to succeed in today in this world that people think I should feel guilty because others were not as fortunate, didn't/wouldn't embrace the same, if not greater opportunities than I had when I was growing up.

This is such BS and stereotypical nonsense. My stature as an evolving youth was not all that pretty but that point has been so skewed in mainstream thought processes that you would think any successful white male over the age of 21 was born a silver spoon in his mouth. This not a racist statement, just an observation of late.

My family came from a farming backround, my father got a "big city" job as a mechanic at a new Ford dealership. He made enough money to move to the big city. We were still at the poverty level but I never thought we were poor. A family of six kids who wore mostly hand me downs. One new pair of shoes each per year. PB&J sandwiches for most lunches, fried corn meal mush and eggs for breakfast. Dinner was sporadic. Sure there were the rich kids in school but we applauded their parents hard work and position in society. We wanted to be and strived to be just like them. No envy because we learned that to be successful it took hard work. An exemplary example shown to us by our parents. They never reached stellar incomes but they still live comfortably.

There again, the mainstream would like to make them feel guilty for their less than stellar life. I know it makes my mom feel that way. She's the type that would go hungry so that others won't, even if they choose to not help themselves. Fortunately for her my dad wouldn't let her spiral down into the gutter because of her good nature. Again, why would anyone want make this type of person feel guilty. I just don't f'ing get it.

I remember when you went to college and couldn't make the cut at a Medical, Engineering ot Legal degree that you would get a Sociology degree for tenure. Now these same people make careers at Social Engineering. In other words, the slackers or inept are making laws and trying to tell us all how we should live. Could this be the Genesis of trying to make successful people feel guilty?

Now that we have all races, creeds and color that are becoming successful. I think it's time we go back to the merit system. Quotas and blame doesn't work any longer. Take it from a real Engineer, the grand experiment is over. Take the lessons learned and let's move on. We, as a nation can no longer afford any special programs for those who refuse to help themselves.

No offense intended to Sociologist but we need progress technologically, the human part is now in place. It's time we get back there to develop more efficient processes that will enhance environmental soundness. Quit spending money to downtrod our successes and elevate the unwilling.

Rant Over

 

Well said canyon! Well said.

 

No offence, but it sounds like your Mom was being guilted by your Dad.
What your Mom wanted to do is exactly what church work is about.
You (and he) apparently missed the lessons she was showing you by her actions.
Your Mom sounds like one of the good ones.
Listen to your Mom.

I agree that white males are the whipping boy for far too many ills in society.
We are not equal with the rest, we are viewed as less than many times, and are blamed for undeserved results.

 

Bull*****. Start yapping to them that he is a coward and such not politics... thats what I was talking about.

Bull*****, you are an example of reading and watching one sided retoric.
You are so sure of everything in your postings, yet it comes directly from distorted right wing retoric.
God save us from the likes of narrow minded unreasonable sheep like yourself.

 

No sir you are full of Bull*****, since your trump card is throwing your experience i will share mine with you.

my wifes grandma made a life of helping people and 2 years ago on August 25 she let some needy kids in her house, the bashed here in the head with a sign stack, when that didnt kill her they took an ice pick from the kitchen and stabbed her , when it got stuck in a bone they took a butcher knife and cut her throat, they burned down the house and took all the family memories.

She was a life long Democrat, from a different generation, it was not her nature to look at people motives. if someone needs help , help them. while it sounds good, i have to tell my 8 year old to never get in the car with anyone and in a day when perves as little kid to help find a dog to lure them away. Its a different world, wake up.

maybe just maybe this guys dad saved her life by telling her that you can only help people so much and that if someone is asking for help it is ok to question their motives.

another good email i got:

written by Mathew Manweller...
Central Washington University political science professor.. "Election
determines fate of nation" "In that this will be my last column before
the presidential election, there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at
witty repartee. The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high. This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance. Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands.
If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be two-fold.

First, we will reject the notion that America can do big things. Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the ***** and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big of a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations. The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.

Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded America can become a defeated America.
Twenty-four-hour news stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10. The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there. Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American administration without setting foot on the homeland.
It is said that America's W.W.II generation is its 'greatest generation'. But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's 'last generation.' Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WW II, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake 'living in America' as 'being an American.' But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities.
This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp the obligation that comes with being an American, or fade into the oblivion they may deserve.
I believe that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."

 

I won't call him a coward but he his actions did disappoint me and every other Viet Vet I know, made many downright angry..

About my mom.... we never were the church going type. She just wears her heart on her sleeve. She a staunch democrat because of her beleifs. My dad has his moments but does not abuse the ones he loves. He was a democrat until he realized their agenda and tactics.

I know your trying to be analytical but your theory is mistaken. Nice try at shovling the guilt and trying to blame it on very people that taught me the value of hard work, to be humble and to be willing to help those that help themselves.

You kinda proved my point. I honestly think you can't help being the way you are. It's how you were taught and/or raised. I'm sure your parents did their very best to teach you morals and values. I also understand how our educational system supports and teaches leftist thoughts and values. So my point is that you come by your convictions honestly.

Later

 

BROTHERDAVE

Truly sorry about your wife's grandmother.

No one has advocated bringing needy people into your home.
Your take on society being worse that it was in the past is true but inaccurate.
There were always the dangers that you exampled, its just that the media pushes those types of crimes out front and dwells on them... because its sensational.
Want to get folks attention? Just put 'for the children' in your pitch somewhere. Its done on the news, in politics (No child left behind) in court, etc.

As for the email... just be glad the everyone doesn't post the political emails they recieve here.

canyonslicker,
Shooting in the dark trying to score.
Don't patronize me.
You have no idea how I was raised and what or where I received my formal education.

As for Vets, sure there are some that are ticked, and many more that aren't.

 

Man you just know everything dont you?! Maybe I should bow down to your superior knowledge!

I knew exactly what you were talking about. This man, a Vet, bashes Kerry openly. He says the main is a complete coward. You would have to be to do what he did to the troops over there. 3 purple hearts my ***! They were all driving his personal career and you know it! Purple hearts for self inflicted wounds requiring a band aid! Is that a man that we can trust the future of our nation to? I wont.

I watch both side. I am both side. I am a idependent. I dont vote for one candidate based on what party he is. I look into what his values are, and in Kerry I see no values except what he himself wants!

You yourself spout one sided retoric. Have you actually read what you post most of the time? Have you tried watching some other news channel?

Right wing retoric? Right! I am far from right wing. I am not republican or democrat. I am not left or right in voting for a candidate. Now on my views, I do have opinions that lean right. Gun control, etc. But on issues like abortion and cloning I disagree with the right. I see the potential for good in cloning and abortion does have a purpose at times. So does this make me right wing? I think not.

You are a perfect example of the left. Liberal. Hopefully you can admit it, whereas your candidate can not. The left spews hate, thats what it always comes down to. Read your own post. Many times in stead of attacking the issues you disagree with, you attack the person spouting those view! Think about it.

~Colby

 

Now lets see if you bash my speeling instead of what I actually said. Thats what the left would do!

 

You still seem to make my point. I never denegrated how you were raised. I respected your parents for doing their best to raise you. I only pointed out that we were raised different.

So your shooting in the dark, taking potshots at my family while implying that the way you were raised and educated has no bearing whatsoever on your outlook on life.

Very interesting phenomena, interesting indeed.

As far as us Viet Vets are concerned. I see you use relative terms of few and many in your description of Kerry's actions. How few and how many? Again ALL of the Viet Vets I know and encounter are either very disappointed or angry at Kerry's actions. Your suppositions and conclusions don't represent my real world observations. Please try to better qualify these type of statements with your real life observations. It may add credibility.

By the way, those things that go bump in the night. Just may actually be real.

 

Exactly! That is all that libs do! They "say" thing, use them as fact, when in actuality they are only their beliefs. Lets try not to interpose your personal beliefs with fact!

Any body heard Kerry's latest plan! Its great! "I have a plan!" Then guess what he said next, "I have a plan". And then, "plan," "plan," and once again "plan." Can this man actually have a plan? It seems that his plan is TO plan. God save us.

~Colby

 

I've yet to see a response from our resident communist Loudist, that doesn't resort to ad-hominem attacks...

My Grandpa once told me "Profanity is nothing more than a weak mind attempting to express itself forcibly"...

Surely your just bitter (waaaa) because Bush will overwhelmingly defeat pansy Kerry in 04

 

Perhaps he learned a lesson I was taught when very young....

" Manners are one of the few free things in life and it never hurts to use them." Thanks, grandma....