The truth will always sound like a broken record because the truth never changes. Something Kerry and his followers have NO idea about...

 

You are wrong on this... the truth of the present state of affairs is a combination of past facts and new facts.
The 'Facts' that you are quoting and basing you posts on are either manipulated facts, inaccurate, or outdated because of new information from investigations. Yet your position doesn't change because there is no adjustment or incorporation of the new information into your thought process.
So your view is the same and what you post is the same, hence broken record.

Funny, you say you are a seeker of truth, yet your posts reflect a clone of the extreme right retoric, which has been demonstrated as being quite flawed in the accuracy of the facts of the matter.
You never waver even in the face of some pretty sobering facts.
That isn't consideration of truth, its fanaticism, and in this case there isn't any difference in how you proces the truth and Islamist fanatics.

You keep saying Kerry had digust for the men back in VietNam. That is wholly untrue.
His disgust was always with how the brass and their superiors were directing the war and the disgusting tactics that the troops were order to do.
Thats what his protest was... the methodology, not the boys forced to perform those tactics. And thats what he said from day one back then, if you took the time to research for the truth.
Does this enlighten you as to why so many Viet Vets don't want to talk about their service there? Why there were so many psychologically damaged men returning home?
It was because of their in country experiences, and not (wholly)the attitude of this country towards them (although did contribute to the feeling of being ostricised).

I submit that your constant spreading of untruths, spin and regurgetated lies of the right is disgusting.

Your claim that you are an avid seeker of truth is the most disgusting lie of all.

If you were actually an avid seeker of truth, and I mean the the whole truth, you and I would be having a much less contentuous reparte' , as has been is demonstrated in the past on full moons.

 

Prove me wrong
Prove me wrong
Prove me wrong
(BUMP)
sorry the needle got stuck…

I understand you’re very attached to Kerry and after 20 years of Kerry changing the truth I can see how you might find it natural for the truth to change.

However that is not the case. It is truth that the sky is blue on a clear day. It is true today as it was true millions of years ago. The truth will never change, what changes is how people like Kerry manipulate things to make them “appear” as truth and people like you buy into it, hook, line, and sinker…

 

Spert, I have proven you wrong numerous times, even going as far as quoting the exact testimony that Kerry made before the congress in '71, yet you choose not to acknowledge it, not unlike shrub, the denial party canidate.

Same old tactics... broken record, repeating it over and over doesn't make it true.

 

I've found I need to take you out of context, to agree with you on something; but, finally, I've found some common ground with you. I just happen to think liberals use that tactic more than anyone else. I guess I'll have to keep looking.

 

The crap Kerry spewed in 1971 was based on the “Winter soldiers report” which has been proven to be false. Again, Kerry lied to Congress and at the same time tried his best to screw those in the military for his own selfish political gains…

 

Earlier in 1971, during an NBC "Meet the Press" interview, Kerry explicitly spoke of "the men who designed the free-fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas" and said he considered them "war criminals."

Winter Soldier Event Discredited?

Kerry critics have long disputed that atrocities by US forces were as prevalent as Kerry suggested. And at least some of the testimony at the "Winter Soldier" event was called into question by historian Guenter Lewy in a 1978 book, America in Vietnam. Lewy noted that the event had been staged with financial help from Jane Fonda. He stated that many of the Winter Soldier participants later refused to speak to investigators for the Naval Investigative Service even though they were assured that they wouldn't be questioned about atrocities they might have committed personally. Lewy also suggested that some of the witnesses were imposters:

Guenter Lewy, America in Vietnam (1978): But the most damaging finding consisted of the sworn statements of several veterans, corroborated by witnesses, that they had in fact not attended the hearing in Detroit. One of them had never been to Detroit in all his life. He did not know, he stated, who might have used his name.

Kerry's critics point to that as evidence that he was irresponsibly passing on false atrocity stories. However, there's no question that events such as Kerry described did happen, as Lewy himself stated:

Lewy: Incidents similar to some of those described at the VVAW hearing undoubtedly did occur. We know that hamlets were destroyed, prisoners tortured, and corpses mutilated.

Some atrocities by US forces have been documented beyond question. Kerry's 1971 testimony came less than one month after Army Lt. William Calley had been convicted in a highly publicized military trial of the murder of the murder of 22 Vietnamese civilians at My Lai hamlet on March 16 1968, when upwards of 300 unarmed men, women and children were killed by the inexperienced soldiers of the Americal Division's Charley Company.


factcheck, time to find the truth, 2.5 minutes.

 

OW, they all do it to some extent with the effect being that self proclaimed 'factual' posters here repeat the same propaganda over and over again.
I do disagree about which side has more 'repeatabilities of distortion' quotient.

 

Anyone who thinks that John Kerry gave a damn about anybody in Vietnam while he was making his report to congress, well I have some beautiful ocean front property in Kansas to sell you... He saw a way to use the current situation to get him in the political spotlight and he took it. If it had been popular to go home and tell everyone that it was great and nothing was wrong and that we needed to keep doing what we were doing, he would have done that. He was born a politician; he always does what he thinks will be in his best interest at the time. Back to the broken record: Was John Kerry just another war criminal like the ones he told congress about, or was he the only one there who was colleting medals instead of shooting civilians and acting like Genghis Kahn?

As usual Loudist tells Burt (and others) that they are a broken record of right wing rhetoric and say the same stuff over and over again and that they are brainwashed "shrubbies" but refuses to see that he is basically the same thing. Just b/c someone drank the kool aid form the Bush campaign doesn’t mean you are some sort of visionary genius and prophet of the truth for drinking the glass of kool aid that John Kerry hands you. I guess it makes him feel better to think about how much better things will be if St. John Kerry gets elected... prepare for a big let down.

 

this movie is about making $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Moore could sink the Repubicans is he just took the money and donated it to a worthy cause. Then he could truley say he did it for the right reason. he is one of thse people that runs his mouth just to get a reaction, there are a few people like that.

he is playing people and these same people think those of us that havent seen it are dumb? I might see 1 or 2% of the movies made each year, its a choice.

 

Wow the Loudist types (meaning not all Dems) have gone from electing a draft dodger to wanting to elect a confessed war criminal (if you believe Loudist's claim that Kerry told the truth).

Why people don't want to talk about their service in Viet Nam....or any other war for that matter.

Do you really think the people who actually had to kill, WANT to talk about their nightmares. I think not, it just brings up bad memories that people spend a lifetime trying to forget. The ones that were proud to serve as well as the indignant. Their silence is not acquiesence to Kerry's story. Most are just keeping painful memories at bay.

Loudist, my best advice to you is ...... Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

If you happen to get what you want remember I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

Where's my eardrops, the ringing is back.....

 

How about them Leafs?

 

This time of year they turn yellow and crunch under your feet.

 

Whose the loudist now! lol

 

Yea and how bout them dare sabers............... good on habibi