~-*-~Follow up to RP's 'VOTE' thread
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
Yea I watched that 'leading the witness' interview by Shannity.
Wouldn't a great question have been... how many of the bunkers did you guys actually look into?
They poked their heads into a couple of them and thats it.
There were over 100 bunkers...
Get a grip and stop shedding all over the forum.
Wouldn't a great question have been... how many of the bunkers did you guys actually look into?
They poked their heads into a couple of them and thats it.
There were over 100 bunkers...
Get a grip and stop shedding all over the forum.
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Of coarse your story is the true one and this guy is lying. He said he didnt look in everyone, but that there was no way for there to have been 380 tons of munitions.
Anyhow, your reply again was good for a laugh. I am starting to enjoy your post more and more loudist. Of coarse your source is right and all others are wrong. I finally see this.
I will be voting Kerry on the 2nd now, you have convinced me.
Sorry about the shedding, just getting my winter coat.
Sled...
Anyhow, your reply again was good for a laugh. I am starting to enjoy your post more and more loudist. Of coarse your source is right and all others are wrong. I finally see this.
I will be voting Kerry on the 2nd now, you have convinced me.
Sorry about the shedding, just getting my winter coat.
Sled...
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
...not the debate thing again!
Sleddist... I doubt that you will be voting for Kerry, unless that backwards shub placard in your sig is an international distress signal, a cry for help.
Just heard on the news that Russian Special forces moved the explosives to Syria before the war.
Russian Special Forces? In Iraq? Before invasion?
Thats very odd.
Sleddist... I doubt that you will be voting for Kerry, unless that backwards shub placard in your sig is an international distress signal, a cry for help.
Just heard on the news that Russian Special forces moved the explosives to Syria before the war.
Russian Special Forces? In Iraq? Before invasion?
Thats very odd.
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."
Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloguing the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.
The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.
The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.
The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.
Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.
"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."
The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.
A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.
According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.
It is not known if the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.
A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.
The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not convince Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.
John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."
Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloguing the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.
The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.
The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.
Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.
The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.
Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.
"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."
The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.
A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.
The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.
"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.
The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.
According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.
It is not known if the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.
A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.
The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not convince Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.
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John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.
Now now loudist, that makes all this information an opinion and not nesecarilly fact. I would think by your own standard that should make this story questionable.
Also, this would put the time line before the time stated earlier by the times and Skerry.
So when did this stuff really if ever disappear..
Anyhow, I am off this morning to see my buddy W. Will post a pic for ya loudist so you can what the winner of Nov 2nd will really look like..
Sled...
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Originally posted by loudist
Did you actually listen to this vet?
Or are you assumeing he doesn't have his own point of view?
I can't imagine you would be listening to that radio program.
Did you actually listen to this vet?
Or are you assumeing he doesn't have his own point of view?
I can't imagine you would be listening to that radio program.
that 'leading the witness' interview
I listen to this radio show to hear opposing view points. They, like you, choose to call people who don't think the way they do ignorant. I urge people to give this radio show (and Al Frankin on later in the day) a listen. It might make you question who is actually ignorant.
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Looks like someone is trying to spin themselves off the hook line and sinker they got caught on by jumping onto the Kerry propaganda spin wagon…
I tried to throw you some rope loudist but you refused, there is still a little bit left, here take the rope while you still can, rescue yourself from the Kerry propaganda spin wagon before it goes over the clift…
I tried to throw you some rope loudist but you refused, there is still a little bit left, here take the rope while you still can, rescue yourself from the Kerry propaganda spin wagon before it goes over the clift…
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
How gracious of you splort, but I believe the news this morning is quite different.
Read, weep, open a vein:
Russia not involved in explosive disappearance in Iraq
ITAR-TASS (Russian news)
28.10.2004, 12.08
MOSCOW, October 28 (Itar-Tass) - The Russian Defence Ministry has bluntly denied some mass media reports alleging that Russian specialists could be involved in the disappearance of hundreds of tonnes of explosives from storage facilities of Al Kakaa military base in Iraq.
The chief of the ministry’s press service, Vyacheslav Sedov, called these publications “invented and absurd”.
He told Itar-Tass that “all Russian military – advisers and specialists had left Iraq long before the beginning of the American-British operation in this Middle East state”.
“I could understand it when it was attempted to make a mountain out of a mole-hole, but there has not been even a mole-hole this time,” Sedov said.
White House press secretary Scot McClellan said on Monday that about 350 tonnes of explosive disappeared from Al Kakaa base in April 2003 soon after the fall of Saddam Hussein’s regime, but the US administration was informed about that only on October 15.
According to McClellan, Iraqi authorities reported the incident to the International Atomic Energy Agency which in turn informed the US’ representative office in this organization.
One has to ask.... if it was known about the largest cache of high explosives, why wasn't it 'discovered' (and I don't mean reported in the papers) that the explosives were missing until early october of this year?
What happened to satellite surveilence?
You know they have the images...
Doesn't Adobe make photoshop for satellites?
Read, weep, open a vein:
Russia not involved in explosive disappearance in Iraq
ITAR-TASS (Russian news)
28.10.2004, 12.08
MOSCOW, October 28 (Itar-Tass) - The Russian Defence Ministry has bluntly denied some mass media reports alleging that Russian specialists could be involved in the disappearance of hundreds of tonnes of explosives from storage facilities of Al Kakaa military base in Iraq.
The chief of the ministry’s press service, Vyacheslav Sedov, called these publications “invented and absurd”.
He told Itar-Tass that “all Russian military – advisers and specialists had left Iraq long before the beginning of the American-British operation in this Middle East state”.
“I could understand it when it was attempted to make a mountain out of a mole-hole, but there has not been even a mole-hole this time,” Sedov said.
White House press secretary Scot McClellan said on Monday that about 350 tonnes of explosive disappeared from Al Kakaa base in April 2003 soon after the fall of Saddam Hussein’s regime, but the US administration was informed about that only on October 15.
According to McClellan, Iraqi authorities reported the incident to the International Atomic Energy Agency which in turn informed the US’ representative office in this organization.
One has to ask.... if it was known about the largest cache of high explosives, why wasn't it 'discovered' (and I don't mean reported in the papers) that the explosives were missing until early october of this year?
What happened to satellite surveilence?
You know they have the images...
Doesn't Adobe make photoshop for satellites?
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
Originally posted by sleddogg
believes,,, Almost certain..
Now now loudist, that makes all this information an opinion and not nesecarilly fact. I would think by your own standard that should make this story questionable.
Also, this would put the time line before the time stated earlier by the times and Skerry.
So when did this stuff really if ever disappear..
Anyhow, I am off this morning to see my buddy W. Will post a pic for ya loudist so you can what the winner of Nov 2nd will really look like..
Sled...
believes,,, Almost certain..
Now now loudist, that makes all this information an opinion and not nesecarilly fact. I would think by your own standard that should make this story questionable.
Also, this would put the time line before the time stated earlier by the times and Skerry.
So when did this stuff really if ever disappear..
Anyhow, I am off this morning to see my buddy W. Will post a pic for ya loudist so you can what the winner of Nov 2nd will really look like..
Sled...
Hey, make sure you sign the 'oath', because free speech isn't allowed at a shrub rally.
Nothing like having liberty, eh?
Can you remember when you had full liberty?
lib·er·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-t)
n. pl. lib·er·ties
The condition of being free from restriction or control.
The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
See Synonyms at freedom.
Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
Getting eroded every day by the neocons.
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Originally posted by loudist
See my previous post... apparently the Russia excuse is spin from the rove bull***** machine.
Hey, make sure you sign the 'oath', because free speech isn't allowed at a shrub rally.
Nothing like having liberty, eh?
Can you remember when you had full liberty?
lib·er·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-t)
n. pl. lib·er·ties
The condition of being free from restriction or control.
The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
See Synonyms at freedom.
Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
Getting eroded every day by the neocons.
See my previous post... apparently the Russia excuse is spin from the rove bull***** machine.
Hey, make sure you sign the 'oath', because free speech isn't allowed at a shrub rally.
Nothing like having liberty, eh?
Can you remember when you had full liberty?
lib·er·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-t)
n. pl. lib·er·ties
The condition of being free from restriction or control.
The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
See Synonyms at freedom.
Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
Getting eroded every day by the neocons.
If the neocons are working as hard as you say they are to deprive us of our liberty why haven’t they got around to silencing you and thousands other voices of dissent. Newsflash, anytime a private citizen can make a feature film about how stupid, corrupt and incompetent he thinks the Commander in Chief is and all the powers that be can do is say, "no that’s not true", then I think our liberty is still in good shape. Typical political scare tactic, Bush is taking away your freedom, that’s about as classy and accurate as saying if Kerry gets elected we will soon face a terrorist attack of epic proportions and only our party can stop it. By the way, since when does anyone trust anything the Russians say, especially if it’s through their press?
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
Originally posted by fatman66
Funny that the brown shirts haven’t showed up at your door yet. With your ranting in here I'm sure you must put up a red flag in the FBI/ CIA computer system every time you attack Bush, lets not forget, you brought skull and bones into this, now the New World Order has to eliminate you before they can continue their dreams of world conquest. Better put on the foil hat so they can't read your mind.
If the neocons are working as hard as you say they are to deprive us of our liberty why haven’t they got around to silencing you and thousands other voices of dissent...
By the way, since when does anyone trust anything the Russians say, especially if it’s through their press?
Funny that the brown shirts haven’t showed up at your door yet. With your ranting in here I'm sure you must put up a red flag in the FBI/ CIA computer system every time you attack Bush, lets not forget, you brought skull and bones into this, now the New World Order has to eliminate you before they can continue their dreams of world conquest. Better put on the foil hat so they can't read your mind.
If the neocons are working as hard as you say they are to deprive us of our liberty why haven’t they got around to silencing you and thousands other voices of dissent...
By the way, since when does anyone trust anything the Russians say, especially if it’s through their press?
In addressing your neocon fascists, its at the beginning of the phase. Do your homework on how fascists sytematically deprive the populace of freedoms and liberties.
They make small advances on the freedoms while being convinceingly justified and palatable.
We are on the way down that road.
Look at history and how fascism has been applied in the past especially by the decietfuly clever ****'s.
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Originally posted by loudist
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Look at history and how fascism has been applied in the past especially by the decietfuly clever ****'s.
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Look at history and how fascism has been applied in the past especially by the decietfuly clever ****'s.