~-*-~Follow up to RP's 'VOTE' thread
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Re: Re: Re: Serotta
Originally posted by Army of 2 Mom
'When you have no posts" outside General Discussion… I think it is a common reaction to see you as a GD troll
"A zero (0) post count doesn't carry much respect initially." It’s a complete sentence and it’s pretty much cut and dried. You’re saying the same thing by rearranging the words and adding “general discussion”.
I imagine that most people would not hold much respect for a “GD troll” or any other kind of troll for that matter. So there goes the respect because I don’t have a number under my name. It’s glaringly clear what was said,
"A zero (0) post count doesn't carry much respect initially."
I could go into any other forum and post things like “hi” or “how ya’ doin” or “my vehicle is blue” or “my vehicle is 4WD” or “I have 3 dogs” and so on and so forth. I could do that 100 times and I’d have the number “100” under my name and those five statements don’t really mean much of anything, but WOULD count toward posts and would gain me respect because now I have numbers under my name? That is way too over the edge for me. I thought we were all adults here. What a silly childish game if that’s truly the way it works.
You bring a serious and valuble point of view to the political coversations here
I do want to acknowledge and commend you on your positive comment, especially toward such a GD troll like me. I am not ignorant of the positive, but I am very cautious.
I think it is a common reaction to see you as a GD troll who is just here to push your opinion on everyone else. Considering you havn't even joined in any of the other conversations in the GD forum ""you are not exactly proving that perception wrong.""
I have absolutely no control over people or their perceptions, people will believe what they wish to believe regardless of what is said or where it is said.
get over your serotta vendetta
I’ve only submitted two posts directed toward serotta, an amount I don’t see as a vendetta. However, he has submitted two posts directed at me as well which would then mean that serotta has a "Army of 2 Mom vendetta".
maybe try and join in outside of the political rants, you might be surprised, its fun to banter back and fort about trivial subjects with the clowns around here.
I’m not sure I want to go into other forums and say anything, considering I don’t have any numbers under my name. I would just open myself up for more discrimination by more people because of my lack of “post numbers”.
its fun to banter back and fort about trivial subjects with the clowns around here.
I can banter…okay, you start.
Lastly,
are you still mising the point of his comment?
To quote (in more ways than one), a very important person right here on the board, "Oh, and one other thing, don't accuse people of mis-reading what you didn't state clearly."
serotta should have taken his own advice and stated the "zero post" more clearly if that isn't what he meant by it. (Even though we know it is and now he's back peddling like hell and trying to find a loophole or create a "spin" to get out of it.)
And yet another quote that same important person said, "Profanity and name calling (GD troll) shows a lack of social skills, lack of communication skills, lack of tangible convictions."
This is according to your buddy serotta. Don't hold me responsible.
I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and Bush INVITED Iraqi's to attack our CHILDREN with his "BRING ’EM ON" message!
'When you have no posts" outside General Discussion… I think it is a common reaction to see you as a GD troll
"A zero (0) post count doesn't carry much respect initially." It’s a complete sentence and it’s pretty much cut and dried. You’re saying the same thing by rearranging the words and adding “general discussion”.
I imagine that most people would not hold much respect for a “GD troll” or any other kind of troll for that matter. So there goes the respect because I don’t have a number under my name. It’s glaringly clear what was said,
"A zero (0) post count doesn't carry much respect initially."
I could go into any other forum and post things like “hi” or “how ya’ doin” or “my vehicle is blue” or “my vehicle is 4WD” or “I have 3 dogs” and so on and so forth. I could do that 100 times and I’d have the number “100” under my name and those five statements don’t really mean much of anything, but WOULD count toward posts and would gain me respect because now I have numbers under my name? That is way too over the edge for me. I thought we were all adults here. What a silly childish game if that’s truly the way it works.
You bring a serious and valuble point of view to the political coversations here
I do want to acknowledge and commend you on your positive comment, especially toward such a GD troll like me. I am not ignorant of the positive, but I am very cautious.
I think it is a common reaction to see you as a GD troll who is just here to push your opinion on everyone else. Considering you havn't even joined in any of the other conversations in the GD forum ""you are not exactly proving that perception wrong.""
I have absolutely no control over people or their perceptions, people will believe what they wish to believe regardless of what is said or where it is said.
get over your serotta vendetta
I’ve only submitted two posts directed toward serotta, an amount I don’t see as a vendetta. However, he has submitted two posts directed at me as well which would then mean that serotta has a "Army of 2 Mom vendetta".
maybe try and join in outside of the political rants, you might be surprised, its fun to banter back and fort about trivial subjects with the clowns around here.
I’m not sure I want to go into other forums and say anything, considering I don’t have any numbers under my name. I would just open myself up for more discrimination by more people because of my lack of “post numbers”.
its fun to banter back and fort about trivial subjects with the clowns around here.
I can banter…okay, you start.
Lastly,
are you still mising the point of his comment?
To quote (in more ways than one), a very important person right here on the board, "Oh, and one other thing, don't accuse people of mis-reading what you didn't state clearly."
serotta should have taken his own advice and stated the "zero post" more clearly if that isn't what he meant by it. (Even though we know it is and now he's back peddling like hell and trying to find a loophole or create a "spin" to get out of it.)
And yet another quote that same important person said, "Profanity and name calling (GD troll) shows a lack of social skills, lack of communication skills, lack of tangible convictions."
This is according to your buddy serotta. Don't hold me responsible.
I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and Bush INVITED Iraqi's to attack our CHILDREN with his "BRING ’EM ON" message!
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Democrat Sen. Zell Miller has outlined the clear choice this November.
"'The next five years will determine the direction of the world that my grandchildren and great-grandchildren will live in,' Miller said. 'I do not want to trust that crucial decision to the current Democratic field. So, I plan to vote for George Bush and will help him any way I can. This does not mean I am going to become a Republican. It simply means that in the year 2004, this Democrat will vote for George Bush.'" (Melanie Eversley, "Maverick Miller endorses Bush," Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 10/30/03)
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
Achoo-- I'm allergic to chickens... is there a chicken in here?
sporky sporky sporky,
You know as well as I do that Kerry's commentary is against the leadership then and now.
Its been proven to you many times.
Cut down on the Shannity, you're getting a nasty infection.
Now, it is the military is to stupid to know what they are doing, they didn’t have a clue when they looked for the high explosives, they didn’t do their job correct, it is their fault, the fault of the brave men and women of the military that the weapons are missing…”
Ok .. cluck cluck... prove it... where is the direct quote from Kerry?
As you lied in this post.
Credibility waneing....
Get used to shrub living back in Crawford.
BTW... made up your mind yet?
Loser leaves the board?
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Kerry’s playbook:
“When things are looking bad and your desperate revert back to what works, go back to after leaving Vietnam and pin the blame on the military. After Vietnam it was the military that were war criminals, killing innocent women and children, raping, cutting off ears…
Kerry’s playbook:
“When things are looking bad and your desperate revert back to what works, go back to after leaving Vietnam and pin the blame on the military. After Vietnam it was the military that were war criminals, killing innocent women and children, raping, cutting off ears…
sporky sporky sporky,
You know as well as I do that Kerry's commentary is against the leadership then and now.
Its been proven to you many times.
Cut down on the Shannity, you're getting a nasty infection.
Now, it is the military is to stupid to know what they are doing, they didn’t have a clue when they looked for the high explosives, they didn’t do their job correct, it is their fault, the fault of the brave men and women of the military that the weapons are missing…”
Ok .. cluck cluck... prove it... where is the direct quote from Kerry?
Yep, Kerry’s playbook of blame it on the military because they are a bunch of morons anyway…
I don’t know about you, but I believe our military and President over some numbnut UN official or CBS news who are both KNOWN to LIE…
I don’t know about you, but I believe our military and President over some numbnut UN official or CBS news who are both KNOWN to LIE…
Credibility waneing....
Get used to shrub living back in Crawford.
BTW... made up your mind yet?
Loser leaves the board?
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From: Florida (on the Gulf)
Originally posted by loudist
Ao2Mom...
you are falling into the rove playbook gambit of 'distract and dissapate them with an innocuous issue'.
Spit out the hook.
Ao2Mom...
you are falling into the rove playbook gambit of 'distract and dissapate them with an innocuous issue'.
Spit out the hook.
Nah, I was having a nice chat with fatman is all.
But hey!! How 'bout this "House of Bush-House of Saud" thing?
*shiver*
Bush and his buddies, shall I start?
Bush's Saudi Connections
Saudi Arabia is the wellspring of radical Islam, its primary source of sustenance and inspiration. Yet, since September 11, the Bush administration has consistently ducked the truth about Riyadh's role in nurturing terrorism -- and concealed the truth as well. Given the many business and personal ties binding the president, his family and his associates to the House of Saud, George W. Bush's see-no-evildoer attitude toward the Saudis is a vulnerability just begging to be exploited by the Democrats.
The incubatory role played by Saudi Arabia and the Wahhabite sect in fostering Islamic extremism is well documented. The desert kingdom leads the way in financing and inciting Muslim holy warriors the world over. How much of this is done with the complicity of the Saudi regime is unclear, but what is clear is that the royal family is a kleptocracy that has forestalled its own inevitable demise by redirecting domestic unrest outward. September 11 was a plot hatched by an exiled Saudi dissident, and 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.
In the two years since 9-11, the Saudis have been an obstacle, not an ally, in the battle against Islamic terrorism. Sure, they've muzzled a few firebrand clerics and rounded up some lumpen Islamicists. But they've shown little inclination to stanch the flow of money from so-called charity organizations to al-Qaeda and other militant groups, and they've kept cooperation with the FBI and the CIA to a minimum.
John O'Neill, the sadly prescient FBI counterterrorism expert who perished in the World Trade Center attack, understood long before 9-11 that the problem of "Islamofacism" was chiefly a Saudi one. "All the answers," he said, "everything needed to dismantle Osama bin Laden's organization, can be found in Saudi Arabia." But that's only if you're willing to look, which Bush clearly is not. Indeed, he has protected the Saudis at every juncture.
The pattern was established within hours of the atrocities in New York and Washington, when Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador (long known as Bandar Bush because of his coziness with the first family), was permitted to spirit members of the bin Laden clan out of the United States before the FBI could properly interview them. Since then, the Department of Justice has impeded the lawsuit filed against the Saudi regime by the September 11 families; the White House blacked out the portions of a congressional report that detailed the Saudi role in 9-11, and everyone from the president on down has steadfastly insisted that the Saudis are paid-up members of the anti-terrorism posse.
Bush can spew all the frontier rhetoric he wishes, but in the case of the Saudis, his inaction speaks louder. Why he would rather undermine the war on terrorism than confront Riyadh is an interesting question, and it doesn't require a particularly active imagination to wonder if there is more here than just oil and a bad case of realpolitik.
The links between the House of Bush and the House of Saud are deep, overlapping and notoriously opaque: the Saudi investment in the Carlyle Group, the private equity firm whose rainmakers include George Bush Senior; the Saudi bankrolling of Poppy's presidential library; the lucrative contracts the Saudis doled out to Halliburton when **** Cheney was at the company's helm. The main law firm retained by the Saudis to defend them against the 9-11 families is Baker Botts -- as in James Baker, the Bush family consigliere. And, of course, there's oil, the black glue connecting all these dots.
In short, the Bushies have profited mightily from a relationship with a foreign government that can be indirectly, perhaps even directly, implicated in the September 11 attacks and other terrorist incidents and that has been the driving force behind a worldwide jihad.
The administration's coddling of the Saudis presents the Democrats with an opening the size of Texas, and they need to seize it. Bush is never more inarticulate and unconvincing than when on the defensive, and no subject is going to set him on his heels faster, and keep him there longer, than the Saudi question.
There are still unanswered questions about the role Saudi money played in Bush Junior's oil ventures; ditto the Iran-Contra scandal, which never quite caught up with Bush Senior. The possibilities seem endless.
Nor could anyone justly accuse the Democrats of demagoguery; the Saudi issue is legitimate.
Source
http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/9/steinberger-m.html
These are highlights of this article and is a very good article overall.
I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and Bush INVITED Iraqi's to attack our CHILDREN with his "BRING ’EM ON" message!
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Re: Democrat Sen. Zell Miller has outlined the clear choice this November.
Originally posted by Bullitt4711
"'The next five years will determine the direction of the world that my grandchildren and great-grandchildren will live in,' Miller said. 'I do not want to trust that crucial decision to the current Democratic field. So, I plan to vote for George Bush and will help him any way I can. This does not mean I am going to become a Republican. It simply means that in the year 2004, this Democrat will vote for George Bush.'" (Melanie Eversley, "Maverick Miller endorses Bush," Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 10/30/03)
"'The next five years will determine the direction of the world that my grandchildren and great-grandchildren will live in,' Miller said. 'I do not want to trust that crucial decision to the current Democratic field. So, I plan to vote for George Bush and will help him any way I can. This does not mean I am going to become a Republican. It simply means that in the year 2004, this Democrat will vote for George Bush.'" (Melanie Eversley, "Maverick Miller endorses Bush," Atlanta Journal-Constitution, 10/30/03)
Why I will vote for John Kerry for President
THE Presidential election to be held this coming Nov. 2 will be one of extraordinary importance to the future of our nation. The outcome will determine whether this country will continue on the same path it has followed for the last 3½ years or whether it will return to a set of core domestic and foreign policy values that have been at the heart of what has made this country great.
Now more than ever, we voters will have to make cool judgments, unencumbered by habits of the past. Experts tell us that we tend to vote as our parents did or as we “always have.” We remained loyal to party labels. We cannot afford that luxury in the election of 2004. There are times when we must break with the past, and I believe this is one of them.
As son of a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, it is automatically expected by many that I am a Republican. For 50 years, through the election of 2000, I was. With the current administration’s decision to invade Iraq unilaterally, however, I changed my voter registration to independent, and barring some utterly unforeseen development, I intend to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry.
Source
http://www.theunionleader.com/articl...?article=44657
I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and Bush INVITED Iraqi's to attack our CHILDREN with his "BRING ’EM ON" message!
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From: Beaverton,MI
Originally posted by loudist
See my previous post... apparently the Russia excuse is spin from the rove bull***** machine.
Hey, make sure you sign the 'oath', because free speech isn't allowed at a shrub rally.
Nothing like having liberty, eh?
Can you remember when you had full liberty?
lib·er·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-t)
n. pl. lib·er·ties
The condition of being free from restriction or control.
The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
See Synonyms at freedom.
Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
Getting eroded every day by the neocons.
See my previous post... apparently the Russia excuse is spin from the rove bull***** machine.
Hey, make sure you sign the 'oath', because free speech isn't allowed at a shrub rally.
Nothing like having liberty, eh?
Can you remember when you had full liberty?
lib·er·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-t)
n. pl. lib·er·ties
The condition of being free from restriction or control.
The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor.
See Synonyms at freedom.
Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
Getting eroded every day by the neocons.
Personally I have the same freedoms and liberties I did 4 years ago.
If you have given some up or lost any, lets hear what ones and how it works.
Where you ilegally search when you purchased that 4 tons of fertilizer or what.
Come on loudist, lets have a list of the freedoms you personally have lost and how it has effected you, and I mean you, not some web site saying how it has..
Sled...
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
Now, it is the military is to stupid to know what they are doing, they didn’t have a clue when they looked for the high explosives, they didn’t do their job correct, it is their fault, the fault of the brave men and women of the military that the weapons are missing…”[/i]
Now, it is the military is to stupid to know what they are doing, they didn’t have a clue when they looked for the high explosives, they didn’t do their job correct, it is their fault, the fault of the brave men and women of the military that the weapons are missing…”[/i]
My God.. they're shooting themselves in the feet now...
Going down....
Sporky, how about a fresh egg for breakfast tomorow?
Or,
Some chicken***** to compost to make methane for less dependence on opec oil?
Last edited by loudist; Oct 28, 2004 at 11:37 PM.
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From: Tustin,Ca
Loudist,
When all is done( Nov. 3 ) , no matter who wins....
I would like to actuallly look into those baby blues and tell you what an obnoxious pie-hole you really are....
I actually think you have a twin, no kidding....
BTW you have been on ignore for awhile and it shure has been quiet ...... AAAAHHhhhh...
The offer stands
When all is done( Nov. 3 ) , no matter who wins....
I would like to actuallly look into those baby blues and tell you what an obnoxious pie-hole you really are....
I actually think you have a twin, no kidding....
BTW you have been on ignore for awhile and it shure has been quiet ...... AAAAHHhhhh...
The offer stands
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From: Future Son in Law of Spork
oh... calling me out?
or is it more noise, like high heels on tile?
Clarify (if you can).
Ignore? HAHAHAH!!
Thats what 10 year old girls do.
Don't pull your skirt over your head...
k?
or is it more noise, like high heels on tile?
Clarify (if you can).
Ignore? HAHAHAH!!
Thats what 10 year old girls do.
Don't pull your skirt over your head...
k?
Last edited by loudist; Oct 28, 2004 at 11:46 PM.
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From: 49 45' 40.76"N 119 10' 12.84"W Sol III ᐰ
Originally posted by sleddogg
Personally I have the same freedoms and liberties I did 4 years ago.
I
Personally I have the same freedoms and liberties I did 4 years ago.
I
You no longer have the freedom to check out a library book without the possibility of the goverment looking into your reading habits.
You no longer have the freedom to heckle Bubya, or even wear a dissenting t-shirt at his political rallies without being thrown out.
You no longer have the freedom to peacefully protest without being harrased by the secret service or the police.
You no longer have the freedom, and haven't had for a very long time, to make a phone call without the possibility of it being recorded and listened to by the NSA.
Just because you don't indulge in these particular former freedoms doesn't mean you haven't lost them...
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From: Poway, SoCal
Originally posted by arrbilly
You no longer have the freedom, and haven't had for a very long time, to make a phone call without the possibility of it being recorded and listened to by the NSA.
You no longer have the freedom, and haven't had for a very long time, to make a phone call without the possibility of it being recorded and listened to by the NSA.
EDIT: cell phones too???
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From: Florida (on the Gulf)
Hope you don't mind me posting this website over hear arrbilly, I found it to be very interesting.
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761
I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and Bush INVITED Iraqi's to attack our CHILDREN with his "BRING ’EM ON" message!
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761
I'm an ARMY OF 2 MOM and Bush INVITED Iraqi's to attack our CHILDREN with his "BRING ’EM ON" message!
