It was probably inevitable that a thread that started out as, "Is it right to play God?" to become a thread about, "Is there a God?"

I have first hand experience with "pulling the plug" on a loved one. It was an experience I won't detail here, but I have to live with that decision for the rest of my life. Is there a special place in Hell for people like me? Probably.

In the meantime; everyone needs something to believe in.

I believe I'll have another beer.

 

Hi ViperGrendal! I was scared for a second when I saw your post! I'm glad you weren't offended!
I agree with you all the way. I HOPE people don't think I'm trying to win converts to Catholicism - I am not. I refer to it simply because it's the faith I practice & therefore know best. I'd NEVER attempt to speak for any other faith lest I speak incorrectly. I respect ALL faiths, including Islam for those who don't pervert it & use it as an excuse to kill innocent people. A TRUE Muslim is NOT going to fly planes into targets to kill - Jihad is NOT about that!
I only urge people to look for something to believe in based on MY experience. It's brought PROFOUND comfort to me when I face a difficult time like losing my Dad or getting away from a man who beat me up 8 times before I found the courage to break away. I do credit faith in God for those times.
If someone truly doesn't want to believe in God in ANY form that's their choice. Yes I pray for them too & worry as well that they don't have the same comfort & peace others have. I'd never turn away from them - 1 of my best friends is an avowed atheist - I still love him as much as I do all of you here!
Don't get mad Viper - you're in my prayers also - I pray for all the people here if only because everyone has been so willing to help me with truck questions! That makes you someone special to me!
Are we still friends? I sure hope so!

flafonman - you are not going to be punished for pulling the plug! I'm sure you did it out of love & respect for that person. I too voiced my opinion when my Dad was dying that he not be put on ARTIFICIAL life support so he could have an ARTIFICIAL life. There's a difference! We had to make the incredibly difficult & loving decision to let a loved 1 go. Terri is not on artificial life support! I defy - yes I said DEFY ANYONE to prove how food & water are ARTIFICIAL! That's why this case is SO different! Nobody can live w/o food & water - regardless of the means by which the sustenance is given. Starving & dehydrating her IS murder! Feeing her is giving her what ALL human beings & even animals NEED to live. Again - I go back to my analogy of the lethal injection for death row inmates! We're humane to barbarians & we're barbaric to an innocent woman! WHY????????
flafonman - you have my respect & sympathy for your ordeal. Please don't feel you'll be judged harshly for it. If ANYONE ever tries to do that to you let me know - I'll set them straight for you!
That's what friends do for friends!

 

Don't worry Cowlady, my wife is also Catholic.

 

Wow, amazed this thread is still alive...

Not to throw any more gasoline on this fire (yeah, RIGHT!), but this God stuff has gotten way too serious.

Let's face it, IF there is a God, he's probably up there laughing his a$$ off at us mortals, or more likely, he's just a bungling boob who wanders around the universe creating hosed-up places like ours, watches his latest "attempt" for a while, and then stumbles on to create his next disaster.

Fortunately, he (or she...whatever) has kept plenty of distance between us and any other inhabited worlds so we don't corrupt anyone else.

Ya just gotta see the humor in all this.

 

For those of you who want to watch what happens to jaymz, follow the link.

Smite

 

So you're saying that God created you and that you're a disaster. I might agree to you being a disaster, because obviously you are not anywhere near being a christian, but I cannot and wil not agree to the fact that god is anything other than all powerful. He can do anything, he has it planned out exactly how he wants it to happen, many things he does are to teach others, like this here, is most likely teaching many people more baout the truth and finding out what the truth really is.

I suggest you pick up a Bible and read for a while, then point out an attempt he made and what disaster it turned into.. You won't find any for the fact that he has forordained what will happen. He works through people to do his will, he dosen't come physically to earth (he did once, and that was to die on the cross to save his elect) so if Jeb Bush says to not starve this lady to death, then that means God is working through him, and telling him what to do. God also allows Satan to do things to people to test their faight, and to be an example to others, just read the book of Job in the bible.

I can't write anymore right now, I'm already late, but I had to reply to this.
Once again, if you want me to prove God is there, I challenge you to prove you have a brain.

 

I refuse to partcipate in any thread that has assigned homework.

(God made me say that)

 

I peeked at the end: The Devil did it!

 

Didn't read it but, I saw the movie.
In the 'History of the World Part:1', when Moses (portrayed by Mel Brooks) comes down off the mountaintop with the, "15, whoops make that 10 Commandments..."

...I've always wondered what the five broken ones were.

 

I found this list:
100 New Commandments
I could be in a lot of trouble if these are put into effect.

 

Let's see if I have this right...

God is all knowing and all powerful.

If so, then God knew "up front" that Adam and Eve (mankind) would "fall" (eat the apple).

So then, knowing they were going to fall anyway, he holds them accountable for something they had no control over?????

Nice system, huh?

 

Phil

You brought up a good point about 'picking a religion'. It's not all in how you were brought up, its what you believe and have faith in. It's not all that complicated. Simply going to church is not going to get you into Heaven. Many people sit thru church every Sunday thinking that they're ok since they attend church, but theyre wrong. Many people dont attend church but have a strong faith in God and where they stand in their beliefs, and thats enough. Personally, I go to church on wkends when i go home, but the weekends I stay at school, I dont attend church, but i still have a strong faith in God and no one can change me no matter what they do to me.
When i get into debates about church denominations, i simply say, "You go to your church and Ill go to mine but lets walk along together."

flafonman

I know I have no idea how hard it was for you to make the decision about your father, but I do know that God does not punish people for decisions such as yours. I cant imagine having to do that, and I hope I dont have to one day, but if for some reason I have to make the choice, it will hurt me alot but I will not personally feel that I killed that person. God does not judge on those kinds of terms. Now if i intentionally took a gun and shot an innocent person, yes thats murder and he will hold you accountable. I would not have the opinion of " theres a place in hell for people like me" because, again, God will not judge you for that incident. Keep up the faith--everything is ok.




Cowlady

Good to see you around--i miss seeing you in chat!




To everyone:

I challenge anyone who does not believe in God to find a situation in your life and "expiriment" if you will. Whether its work, school, family, whatever--start praying every night and ask God to help you with your daily life and your situations. But you have to do this with meaning--it cant be taken half-heartidly. If you truely pray for guidance and strength, youll be amazed at what he can do. You probley wont see him working right away--it may take hours, days, even years, but with faith in God, anything is possible.
Try it.

Whew. Ok time for class.

Jaymz--I would really appreciate it if you would keep your ignorant comments, like the one above, out of the thread. I do not speak alone when i say you need help.

-Greeno

 

My opinion is that they should have let her go a long time ago. I know I wouldn't want to be laying there for 10 years being kept alive by machines, tubes, wires, etc.. For me there is a quality of life issue here. If I ever get into a dibilitating accident or come down with a disease I hope I am able to die fairly quickly with some dignity and not be forced to live and suffer. I would rather suffer through a fews days of starvation or dehydration then to suffer through 10+ years of mindlessness. Laying unconsious in a hospital bed is no way to live.

 

Okay, again, just friendly debate here, but it seems to me that dwelling/praying about something will keep it fresh in your mind, allowing you to mull it over, and make a more informed/thought out decision. In the end the if it goes as planned you'll thank God, and if it doesn't you'll just say well maybe next time or maybe later, until you make what you want happen.

Also, I never understood how God can make anyone do anything or work through anyone if we all have free will.

and if he knows everything that'll happen why bother letting/making it happen?

and why did he bother to create humans? (This is my biggest complaint with existance. Why is existance??? I don't care really about much in this crazy world except why am I here.) He already knew some would turn against him. Was it just arrogance, knowing that some would sit and worship him?

and why were very simple people of ancient times allowed to see/meet him? Were they special, more important than us? Where is he now, and why are we supposed to have faith, when back then they just got to see him?

 

God gave us all a little thing called free will, Adam and Eve decided to use it and thus caused their own fall from grace. Amazingly and Im thankful for, God still loves us even though we screwed up his perfection through our own free will. Jaymz believe it or not I completely respect your views, your opinions and your faith or lack thereof. Just try to give a little back to those who have differing ones, or are all of us just psycho wacko *****?