About to buy a 2010 F150
#16
Does anyone currently have a 2010 tuned? I contacted a reputable tuner and this is what I was told.
"We are still waiting on SCT to release data logging software for the 2010's. We have one of our own that we are developing our Saleen SC truck program with and have no transmission control or any data logging parameters. We will have tunes available as soon as SCT gets things updated. There is no ETA on this, we have been bugging them for months now."
Maybe thats why your tuner didnt work on your 2010?
"We are still waiting on SCT to release data logging software for the 2010's. We have one of our own that we are developing our Saleen SC truck program with and have no transmission control or any data logging parameters. We will have tunes available as soon as SCT gets things updated. There is no ETA on this, we have been bugging them for months now."
Maybe thats why your tuner didnt work on your 2010?
#17
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The TONE of the post was MGD in my feeble little senile brain! I'm truly sorry and all I can do is BEG (humbly) your forgiveness.
Shotgunz - it was priceless!
You guys are going to be the death of me if you keep this up. :o :o
Shotgunz - I think I owe you, big time. What was it about "atta-boys and awe-sh*ts"?. I think I just compiled a bunch of the latter, didn't I?
(One day, we need to get together for a drink or two - I'm buying.)
- Jack
The TONE of the post was MGD in my feeble little senile brain! I'm truly sorry and all I can do is BEG (humbly) your forgiveness.
Shotgunz - it was priceless!
You guys are going to be the death of me if you keep this up. :o :o
Shotgunz - I think I owe you, big time. What was it about "atta-boys and awe-sh*ts"?. I think I just compiled a bunch of the latter, didn't I?
(One day, we need to get together for a drink or two - I'm buying.)
- Jack
And - recommendation for Shotgunz on where to stay while in Tucson schmoozin' & boozin' with Jack:
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-hotel-12307043-no_tel_motel-i
A 'Wawa bed'! Bring '88' with you - looks like plenty of room fer a threesome
Have one on me fellas!
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In case y'all were of the impression that this travesty was overlooked, permit me to dispell that notion forthwith:
And - recommendation for Shotgunz on where to stay while in Tucson schmoozin' & boozin' with Jack:
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-hotel-12307043-no_tel_motel-i
A 'Wawa bed'! Bring '88' with you - looks like plenty of room fer a threesome
Have one on me fellas!
MGD v5.0 - The Original. Be wary of poor imitatons.
And - recommendation for Shotgunz on where to stay while in Tucson schmoozin' & boozin' with Jack:
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-hotel-12307043-no_tel_motel-i
A 'Wawa bed'! Bring '88' with you - looks like plenty of room fer a threesome
Have one on me fellas!
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Last edited by 88racing; 04-17-2010 at 09:35 AM.
#19
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#20
I have a tune coming via SCT from Jon Lund. He's well known in the Mustang world particularly the GT500 lately and tunes my cobra. I have an Xcal3 on its way. This is what he said when I asked:
Yes I have SRA0 in my database and have tuned several 2010 F150s already.... Really all that is needed is a 93 Octane tune, these trucks have adaptive octane strategy and advance and retard timng based on octane tolerance and what you put in at the pump. I don't do anything different for a Tow tune -vs- a Performance tune. It would be $400 shipped for a Xcal3 .
Thanks,
Jon L
He's at www.lundracing.com
Yes I have SRA0 in my database and have tuned several 2010 F150s already.... Really all that is needed is a 93 Octane tune, these trucks have adaptive octane strategy and advance and retard timng based on octane tolerance and what you put in at the pump. I don't do anything different for a Tow tune -vs- a Performance tune. It would be $400 shipped for a Xcal3 .
Thanks,
Jon L
He's at www.lundracing.com
#21
I have a tune coming via SCT from Jon Lund. He's well known in the Mustang world particularly the GT500 lately and tunes my cobra. I have an Xcal3 on its way. This is what he said when I asked:
Yes I have SRA0 in my database 1. ...and have tuned several 2010 F150s already....
Really all that is needed is a 93 Octane tune, 2. ...these trucks have adaptive octane strategy and advance and retard timng based on octane tolerance and what you put in at the pump.
3. ....I don't do anything different for a Tow tune -vs- a Performance tune.
Thanks,
Jon L
He's at www.lundracing.com
Yes I have SRA0 in my database 1. ...and have tuned several 2010 F150s already....
Really all that is needed is a 93 Octane tune, 2. ...these trucks have adaptive octane strategy and advance and retard timng based on octane tolerance and what you put in at the pump.
3. ....I don't do anything different for a Tow tune -vs- a Performance tune.
Thanks,
Jon L
He's at www.lundracing.com
Three big Red flags (bolded).
The other tuners have far more experience in F150's than 'several' trucks. And one at least specializes in the platform almost exclusively. Mustang tuning is different than F150 tuning.
A Tow-specific tune had better be different than a perf tune to control EGTs and changes to the tranny shift points and firmness, being just a few items. If it IS the same - it's a compromise tune. Period. And will NOT be optimal for either. I suppose if you only wanted ONE tune, and were willing to accept less gains, go for it. Just make sure there is a towing limit specified. Seperate tunes exist for a reason. If it's a compromise, it should be stated up front. There is NO WAY a fully-optimized performance tune will safely allow towing up to max tow rating for the vehicle. If told otherwise - it's either BS, or NOT a fully optimized perf tune. So you are NOT getting the perfroamce you thought you paid for.
Adaptive isn't very good at compensating from 87 to 93... it is usually only going to effectively accomodate a couple octane points. Any more and it is far better to have a tune written for the specific octanes expected to be in use. I asked this specific question myself of my tuner - 93 on an 87 tune is going to exhibit significant performance penalties above approx 4,000 rpm.
If all he is going to tune by is yer Box Code (SRA0) and not ask you to read the full 7-digit strategy/calibration, then that item, coupled with the rest of what was said, makes me very uncomfortable - is this just a generic SCT-supplied template tune for the Box Code, with a couple minor tweaks only? It would seem so to me - given the above ....
IMHO - there is enough ambiguity here that I myself would Seek other opinions - call MikeTroyer @ TP, Justin @VMP and Bill @ PHP and Mike @ Diablo first to get a complete range of input on this.
BIG HONKING CAVEAT: My opinion only formed over the years - I may indeed be entirely out to lunch
~$400 is approx the going rate for an Xcal3 including 3 7-digit matched custom tunes... if it's only one tune included it's too high.
Look - he's probably a good tuner for yer Cobra and perhaps even yer truck - but what was posted just poses more questions and doubt than answers, for me, to be at ease if it were my truck. I don't think you tow much with a Cobra. lol. These heavy, underpowered barn-door-aero bricks posing as the trucks we love really are very different in terms of tuning requirements. What is safe to run as a WOT open-loop AFR in a 'Stang would be catastrophic in an F150, for starters.
www.troyerperformance.com
www.vmptuning.com
www.gopowerhungry.com
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Last edited by MGDfan; 04-17-2010 at 01:50 PM.
#22
Nutty 5.0 - Though I hate to have to admit it, I think MGDfan is dead right in his opinion of what you're getting in your "tune". I don't like the "one size fits all" approach either (Isn't that what a "stock" tune is)?
However, other people can tune your X3 once you get it if you decide the single tune is not such a good deal after all.
To MGDfan - was that a "self portrait"? I ask this, because I don't wear ties, so I'm guessing it might be you.
- Jack
However, other people can tune your X3 once you get it if you decide the single tune is not such a good deal after all.
To MGDfan - was that a "self portrait"? I ask this, because I don't wear ties, so I'm guessing it might be you.
- Jack
#23
Nutty 5.0 - Though I hate to have to admit it, I think MGDfan is dead right in his opinion of what you're getting in your "tune". I don't like the "one size fits all" approach either (Isn't that what a "stock" tune is)?
However, other people can tune your X3 once you get it if you decide the single tune is not such a good deal after all.
To MGDfan - was that a "self portrait"? I ask this, because I don't wear ties, so I'm guessing it might be you.
- Jack
However, other people can tune your X3 once you get it if you decide the single tune is not such a good deal after all.
To MGDfan - was that a "self portrait"? I ask this, because I don't wear ties, so I'm guessing it might be you.
- Jack
Q: "Though I hate to have to admit it,..." Qu'est que c'est WTF???
MGD v5.0
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#25
No need to defend, as I think Imade clear I offered an opinion, based only upon the information tht was presented in yer original post. No criticsm.
And I don't need to talk to Justin, you do.
My experience - my custom tuner feller would kick me into the next county if I towed on any of my Perf tunes - as the comprehensive documentation provided with those tunes specify, in the largest font available: NO TOWING.
That's why I'm acquiring a Tow-specific tune. You do know that Justin provides perf, econ and tow-specific tunes, correct? (see his website).
If tow was the same as perf, and any octane was okay, tuning for all of those permutations would simply not exist. But - they do.
All I'm saying, ok?
MGD v5.0
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#27
Or I could drive the 07' Mustang which is currently putting down 650 to the tires on pump gas and still pulls down 22mpg @ 80mph on the freeway and wait a lot longer.
#28
Does anyone currently have a 2010 tuned? I contacted a reputable tuner and this is what I was told.
"We are still waiting on SCT to release data logging software for the 2010's. We have one of our own that we are developing our Saleen SC truck program with and have no transmission control or any data logging parameters. We will have tunes available as soon as SCT gets things updated. There is no ETA on this, we have been bugging them for months now."
Maybe thats why your tuner didnt work on your 2010?
"We are still waiting on SCT to release data logging software for the 2010's. We have one of our own that we are developing our Saleen SC truck program with and have no transmission control or any data logging parameters. We will have tunes available as soon as SCT gets things updated. There is no ETA on this, we have been bugging them for months now."
Maybe thats why your tuner didnt work on your 2010?
Last edited by sqidd; 04-19-2010 at 10:52 PM.
#29
Well, as of yesterday, I am PHP tuned. You 2010 owners will be impressed! I did get one simple CEL code Bill is working on, but it's nothing important. I hould have a re=write today. This is an 87 Performance. An 87 Tow is suppose to accompany the revised 87 Performance tune, as well. WOW! Thats all I can say... WOW!
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