Hey, Thumper! I didn't say anything when you made some other posts about the Gryphon being "at least $500," but I've got to step in now. The Gryphon has never been $525 NOR has it been $500 for that matter. As a sponsor, I'm not supposed to discuss price on here, but our programmer is less than you've been reporting...

 

Corey was that really necessary? I had already said that it was a honest mistake. I'd appreciate it if you dropped it, thanks.

 

Gryphon: $495 + $15 Shipping = $510

VMP X2: $395 + $15 Shipping = $410

Are gauges necessary? No, they are merely dummy gauges and serve no purpose, most if not everyone doesn't even know proper design/operating limits anyways.

 

be leary of an edge custom tuned, which i have. it programed to the wrong level even though it stated it was programed to the tune i selected.

Its been over a month and i still have not heard why this happend and i also lost my custom tune when i tried to update the evo myself (so that i coudl actually use the device)

As for customer service = watch who you deal with, maybe the nut swingers get attention fast but unanswered pm and emails after a month get a little annoying.

I will say one thing, the tune was cheap, worked great and i have had no problem with that except that i dont have it anymore. I will also buy more tunes if i hear from the people who wrote the file that i did have.

 

i'd also like to say that the gauges are a nice feature and in my opinoin look much nicer then having your a pillar covered in guages.

I'd consider running a gryphon in my lightning just to get rid of the a pillar pod if it would accecpt a wideband input and a $600 custom dyno tune that i just got for my existing predator

 

Not sure if you are calling me a dummy for liking the gauges or if you are saying that they don't function. I use the gauges constantly to monitor engine, oil and tranny temps. They seem to be functioning or they hame me fooled.

 

Great, so what good do they do for you? NONE. (They make people worry for no reason most the time) The whole truck is electronically controlled and has built in alarms and fail-safes. It will choose what it needs to do based off programming. Now if this was many moons ago, when you could actually pull off the side of the road and adjust timing, fuel, etc.. Then yes they would be somewhat worth it. But instead we have guys on here always boasting about the gauges, for ****s sake they do not even have short term fuel trims. Give me ANY PID that shows up on the display and i will tell you why its worthless.

 

Obviously, we have a different attitude about information. I want to know if my truck is heating up or if it is operating in normal range. There is no sense in us discussing it further as we have totally different concepts about what we want to know.

 

The gauges are pretty worthless IMO ... especially considering that they are "dummy" gauges that are coming from the PCM anyways.

Pretty much the main reason why I always recommend the Xcal2/Xcal3 and not the Livewire ...

 

When I was flying, I couldn't "pull off the side of the road to adjust..." either, but I sure wanted those gauges. In fact, even though we had things like engine fire lights and overheat lights, we were taught to interpret gauge readings to avoid needlessly shutting down an engine or needlessly bailing out (just because a light illuminated).

I'm in the camp that appreciates the gauges too. There's no such thing as too much knowledge, and, since I also used to teach computer programming and microprocessor design, I don't really trust computers. I'm happy though, that some people do.

- Jack

 

You mean, if your towing and you see your tranny heating up, it's worthless to know you need to back off so it can cool? Or if the thermostat starts sticking and the coolant is getting hot, you know it before it boils over? As mush as I run on the highway and a lot of it late at night, it makes me feel better to have them.

 

Well this is a F150, not a plane. The gauges in a plane are a LOT more accurate than the readings that come from the ODBII.

I'm confused, you say you don't trust the computer, but yet you trust the readings from the Edge? Do you understand where the Edge is getting those readings? It comes directly from the PCM, no where else, this is exactly why Anthony and myself don't trust them. It's not just the Edge and Gryphon either, it's the Livewire as well.

 

So, your saying that when I crank up and watch my water temp start at 90 and go up to 195 and stop, then bounce between 194 and 197, that is not accurate? I watch the tranny temp rise to 157 and the faster I go, the warmer it reads, that is not accurate. I think it probably is very close.

 

I hadn't seen your later post before I posted... that's what I get for not refreshing the screen when I come back to my computer. All is forgiven.

 

My, this is getting lively! I suspect the gauges in the circa 1950-1970 model planes I flew were a lot less accurate than the ones getting their information from the PCM. In fact, we were trained in methods to diagnose (and sometimes correct) faulty gauge readings by referring to other gauges or by analyzing trends. It was common, for instance to lose the attitude indicator during violent maneuvering, and if you did not know you had "tumbled" it, you would simply crash, if you were flying in periods of poor visibility. We lost a guy at night in Vietnam that way.

Of course I know the gauge information is coming from the PCM and it, in turn, is getting input from various sensors. One of the things I don't care for is the fact that coolent temperature is inferred from CHT, so, I monitor CHT (that at least eliminates one programming step). Then, I can crosscheck the oil temperature too. Is it holding values that are consistent with what I'm doing? And, as Bluejay said, having some idea of the transmission temperature might just give me a better idea when it would be good to change the fluid (instead of relying on Ford's terrific guidance). Finally, when I'm pulling the trailer, I'm keeping three batteries charged and running a refrigerator. I'm a lot happier having a digital voltmeter than the "L-H" analog gauge in the dash. I'd actually prefer an ammeter (like the loadmeters we had in planes), but I make do with what I can get.

I guess this is largely philosophical. I'm looking for a complete picture of what's happening and am watching for "trends".

- Jack