Troyer or Bill???
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04-23-2008, 08:10 PM
I also have an intake with bigger maf tube, UDPs, muffler delete, and CMDPs.
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04-23-2008, 08:34 PM
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04-29-2008, 05:34 PM
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Well Justin sent me my custom tune for 87 Perf with moderate fuel economy.
All i can say is The WOW is Back! You touch the peddle and it snaps your head back. Shifts are like stock but firmer. Lots of power throughout all peddle positions. Its like Troyers tune and the edge all rolled into one tune.
And it only took 3 days to get it! Yep you heard right 3Days!!! Most of that was emailing Justin back and forth about how the tune was to be set up. Once settled i got it the next day! So really it took only one day.
I'm very happy with the tune and especially the fact there is no more hanging on to 1st till 3500 rpm's till it shifted to 2nd like my TP tune did.
Will be getting more tunes from Justin for sure.
All i can say is The WOW is Back! You touch the peddle and it snaps your head back. Shifts are like stock but firmer. Lots of power throughout all peddle positions. Its like Troyers tune and the edge all rolled into one tune.
And it only took 3 days to get it! Yep you heard right 3Days!!! Most of that was emailing Justin back and forth about how the tune was to be set up. Once settled i got it the next day! So really it took only one day.
I'm very happy with the tune and especially the fact there is no more hanging on to 1st till 3500 rpm's till it shifted to 2nd like my TP tune did.
Will be getting more tunes from Justin for sure.
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04-29-2008, 05:55 PM
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04-29-2008, 06:15 PM
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Jeeeze i wish mine shifted at that. Under normal driving it would not shift till 3000 to 3500 and higher if i had my foot down even a little bit more. I called TP and they asked me to see if all the tunes did this and they did!
I found myself lifting my foot off the gas a little to get it to shift sooner then back on the gas. It was a pain in the butt to say the least. Dont get me wrong i liked the tunes but for that one thing. Also found them harder on gas!
I found myself lifting my foot off the gas a little to get it to shift sooner then back on the gas. It was a pain in the butt to say the least. Dont get me wrong i liked the tunes but for that one thing. Also found them harder on gas!
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04-29-2008, 07:44 PM
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Jeeeze i wish mine shifted at that. Under normal driving it would not shift till 3000 to 3500 and higher if i had my foot down even a little bit more. I called TP and they asked me to see if all the tunes did this and they did! I found myself lifting my foot off the gas a little to get it to shift sooner then back on the gas. It was a pain in the butt to say the least. Dont get me wrong i liked the tunes but for that one thing. Also found them harder on gas!
I found myself lifting my foot off the gas a little to get it to shift sooner then back on the gas. It was a pain in the butt to say the least. Dont get me wrong i liked the tunes but for that one thing. Also found them harder on gas!
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04-29-2008, 08:49 PM
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however, i asked for him to send back my edge casing due to california carb rules. edge will get the carb sticker for their unit, so i can display it when it comes out. and if the case isn't edge, i don't think i could legally have it. so i requested to have my case returned to me so i can behind scene put back the old casing. of course let bill do his thing with it.
Lighten up. You are using a device which plugs into your OBD II. When you get to the Smog Inspection shop, just unplug it and put it in your pocket. They will never know. That particulate "sniffer" that goes into the tailpipe can't tell that you've had an Edge Evolution plugged into your car.
I have the SCT X3 Power Flash. There is a little sticker on the package that says it is not legal in CA. I load whatever tunes I want, or return to stock. When I go for inspection, how will they know? That particulate "sniffer" that goes into the tailpipe can't tell that I'm using a custom tune.
California may have some of the strictest regulations in the country. But over the years, I've come to discover that half of the smog techs don't care or don't know about what they're really doing. Half the time, they never even ask about obvious things like headers, intakes, and exhaust.
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04-29-2008, 09:13 PM
Now if we could all make truthful declarations backed up by facts in evidence, as opposed to simply voicing opinions, this forum would hold more value. Alas, this is a public forum, and all are allowed to simply pipe in what they want without having to produce verification.
Good job ASEMechanic. You were able to cite specifics and provide links. Let's see if we could get everybody on board. Maybe we could debunk some of these myths. Dare I say, "Myth Busted"?
And for the record, neither SCT, Superchips, or Troyer Performance makes any claims to having a California Air Resources Board, Executive Order #. As a matter of fact, I have a SCT X3 Power Flash purchased from Troyer, and there is a sticker on the package that clearly states: "Not legal for sale on pollution controlled vehicles or in the state of California."
Good job ASEMechanic. You were able to cite specifics and provide links. Let's see if we could get everybody on board. Maybe we could debunk some of these myths. Dare I say, "Myth Busted"?
And for the record, neither SCT, Superchips, or Troyer Performance makes any claims to having a California Air Resources Board, Executive Order #. As a matter of fact, I have a SCT X3 Power Flash purchased from Troyer, and there is a sticker on the package that clearly states: "Not legal for sale on pollution controlled vehicles or in the state of California."
I mean no disrespect to Troyer, but according to the CARB database...
(http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php - Search by Manufacturer, select "Electronic Control Unit / Proms", the click Search for EOs)
...there is no listing of a CARB EO# for either Troyer Performance, SCT, or Superchips Custom Tuning which I take to mean that none of their programmers (custom or otherwise) are CARB certified. However, if their products are CARB certified and have a valid EO#, then I will certainly admit I am incorrect, but I don't think I am.
I have dealt with CARB since 1996 and as it sits now, Custom Tuning by nature is not able to be CARB certified. If it was, I'd probably still be programming Evolutions instead of selling Gryphons.
Again, this is not a shot against Troyer, whom I certanily respect, and I am certain his tunes are "da'bomb". I just want to make sure that there is no confusion or misinformation floating about.
Take care
(http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php - Search by Manufacturer, select "Electronic Control Unit / Proms", the click Search for EOs)
...there is no listing of a CARB EO# for either Troyer Performance, SCT, or Superchips Custom Tuning which I take to mean that none of their programmers (custom or otherwise) are CARB certified. However, if their products are CARB certified and have a valid EO#, then I will certainly admit I am incorrect, but I don't think I am.
I have dealt with CARB since 1996 and as it sits now, Custom Tuning by nature is not able to be CARB certified. If it was, I'd probably still be programming Evolutions instead of selling Gryphons.
Again, this is not a shot against Troyer, whom I certanily respect, and I am certain his tunes are "da'bomb". I just want to make sure that there is no confusion or misinformation floating about.
Take care
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04-29-2008, 09:23 PM
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Bill, if you're still around in this thread...
I notice while looking at this new "Gryphon" tuner (I have the Edge Evo and had since late '05) that there's only a list of 8 monitors as opposed to the Evo's 21 or 22 that they're at now. Was that just an abbreviated list or is that all there is in this new tuner? Granted there are some in the Evo's list that I'll never use but they do have some I do use all the time that aren't in your list.
I notice while looking at this new "Gryphon" tuner (I have the Edge Evo and had since late '05) that there's only a list of 8 monitors as opposed to the Evo's 21 or 22 that they're at now. Was that just an abbreviated list or is that all there is in this new tuner? Granted there are some in the Evo's list that I'll never use but they do have some I do use all the time that aren't in your list.
To answer your question, the 2004-2008 Ford F-Series 5.4L & 4.6L Triton V8 Gryphon has the ability to display up to four PIDs, and you can choose from:
AFRP
Actual Fuel Rail Pressure
AMPG
Average Miles Per Gallon
APP
Accelerator Pedal Position
BAT
Battery Voltage
CHT
Cylinder Head Temperature
ECT
Engine Coolant Temperature
EOT
Engine Oil Temperature
IAT
Intake Air Temperature
IMPG
Instant Miles Per Gallon
LOAD
Engine Load %
LPD
Line Pressure Desired
MAF
Mass Air Flow
MAFV
Mass Air Flow Voltage
MPH
Miles Per Hour
OSS
Output Shaft Speed
RPM
Revolutions Per Minute
SPARK
Spark Advance
TFT
Transmission Fluid Temperature
TQC
Torque Control
TSS
Turbine Shaft Speed
VCAM
Variable Cam Timing
The 2007-2008 Ford Power Stroke 6.4L Gryphon has fewer choices:
BARO
Barometric Pressure
BAT
Battery Voltage
BST
Boost Pressure
REGEN
Diesel Particulate Filter Regen. Cycle
DTC
Diagnostic Trouble Code
ECT
Engine Coolant Temperature
EGT
Exhaust Gas Temperature
EOT
Engine Oil Temperature
IAT
Intake Air Temperature
LOAD
Engine Load
MPH
Miles Per Hour
RPM
Revolutions Per Minute
TFT
Transmission Fluid Temperature
I haven't written the '97-'03 manual yet, but I believe that a few that are on the '04-'08 are not available.
Hope this helps!
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04-29-2008, 09:31 PM
Is a CARB E.O.# for custom tuning now an "urban legend"? Is it one of those chain e-mails that will somehow contribute $1 to cure a little kid's life threatening illness? How did this all get started? Neither Bill, Justin, nor any other custom tuner should have to even chime in to declare what they are not.
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04-29-2008, 09:37 PM
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04-29-2008, 10:28 PM
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