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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sackett
I know this is going to be a major recall issue down the line as we get more and more 3V V-8's hitting the 100K mile mark and getting plugs changed. I don't want Ford to have a Class-Action lawsuit on their hands, but if they don't own up to this soon, they will. The mear fact that they've had to design a tool specific to this very issue tells me they're acknoledging a problem.
It wouldn't be the first time Ford designed a tool to allow their techs to complete a service procedure.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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Whats the part # for the Brisk Spark PLugs for the 3V 5.4 ???
Brisk 3VR17YS plugs.

Here is the link. http://www.briskracing.com/product.p...age=1&featured
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Tbird69
Since when does 20% mean there's a problem? That means 80% didn't have a problem (26% vs 78% roughly now). As I've said already this issue doesn't concern you so why are you so vocal about it? Leave the posting for the people that have dealt with or are dealing with this.

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20 non broken

7 broken
Uh, dude, public education or somthing?

26% + 78% = 104%...

I have to disagree with you premise that 20 + % of respondents having a problem does not constitute a major problem with a product.

If 20 % percent of people that ate Chicken required hospitalization afterwards, it would be considered a MAJOR problem...

This issue is a noted design flaw with these engines. Ford will have to own up to it, or face some very expensive music that they can ill afford. Their handling of this issue, as well as the self combusting cruise control, and the Firestone tire issue. (Which I FULLY blame Bridgestone / Firestone for making the tires, but I blame Ford for playing ostrich and burying their collective heads in the sand when the problem was obvious.). Ford seems to be the WORST of the domestic MFGs in regards to acknowledging product flaws and stepping up to the plate and doing right by the customer.

I love my Ford truck, and would never consider a GM built vehicle. But I worry that this continued corporate stupidity on the part of Ford Motor Company will end up killing them off as a company. I am hopeful that they will get their heads out of their backsides and turn that company around, and SOON!

This does NOT absolve the stealerships of their responsibility in this matter in the slightest. Failure to properly follow the TSB should NOT leave the customer on the financial hook for thousands of dollars for engine repair caused by faulty design, and faulty service procedures. This is in no way, shape, or form the customer's fault.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tbird69
Since when does 20% mean there's a problem? That means 80% didn't have a problem (26% vs 78% roughly now). As I've said already this issue doesn't concern you so why are you so vocal about it? Leave the posting for the people that have dealt with or are dealing with this.

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20 non broken

7 broken
You don't think the fact that the fact that 26% of the respondents have had broken plugs? Wow...just wow! If I was going to change my plugs and knew that there was more than a one in four chance that I was going to break some plugs, I would be worried. The fact that you don't think that there is an issue proves that either you are blinded by your love for Ford or you just don't know much about engines. I just want to thank you for proving what I already knew to be true...that there is a problem. of course, the fact that Ford made a special tool to remove the broken plugs was already proof of that. Having changed in the neighborhood of 150 sparkplugs in my life and never having broken any is more representative of what should be considered normal.

BTW - 26% + 78% = 104%...I think you meant to say 26% and 74%.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dbhost
Uh, dude, public education or somthing?

26% + 78% = 104%...

I have to disagree with you premise that 20 + % of respondents having a problem does not constitute a major problem with a product.

If 20 % percent of people that ate Chicken required hospitalization afterwards, it would be considered a MAJOR problem...

This issue is a noted design flaw with these engines. Ford will have to own up to it, or face some very expensive music that they can ill afford. Their handling of this issue, as well as the self combusting cruise control, and the Firestone tire issue. (Which I FULLY blame Bridgestone / Firestone for making the tires, but I blame Ford for playing ostrich and burying their collective heads in the sand when the problem was obvious.). Ford seems to be the WORST of the domestic MFGs in regards to acknowledging product flaws and stepping up to the plate and doing right by the customer.

I love my Ford truck, and would never consider a GM built vehicle. But I worry that this continued corporate stupidity on the part of Ford Motor Company will end up killing them off as a company. I am hopeful that they will get their heads out of their backsides and turn that company around, and SOON!

This does NOT absolve the stealerships of their responsibility in this matter in the slightest. Failure to properly follow the TSB should NOT leave the customer on the financial hook for thousands of dollars for engine repair caused by faulty design, and faulty service procedures. This is in no way, shape, or form the customer's fault.
I guess I should have read your post first...I think I just repeated what you had already said, but it just amazes me what some of these Ford fanboi's will say. Don't get me wrong, I love Ford, but I am not going to defend Ford when they are wrong.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 01:17 PM
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there's several late-model f150s on my street owned by friends and family - none of them were aware of this issue. which means none of their friends and family were aware of it either... %20+ is starting look very very bad.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 01:24 PM
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Ok for those who say 20% of people having issues with spark plugs doesnt constitute a major problem did you also take into account that there are alot of other F150 owners that more than likelly dont know about this website and or are members off. So if 20% or what have you have this problem the general consensus is that more than likelly IT IS A MOJOR ISSUE!!! just like the steering wheel nibble and bad vibration issues.

Thanks for the part number too!!

PS. Ignorance is trully bliss
 

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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 01:28 PM
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My 2 cents

I had mine changed by the dealer at 31k, no breaks or problems.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 01:48 PM
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PS. Ignorance is trully bliss[/QUOTE]
Not when it comes to these plugs, ignorance could cost you over $2,000
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 02:18 PM
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Changed mine myself at about 34....VERY difficult to get out, but followed the TSB and got them all out without breaking...I sure was sweating profusely though! Autolite HT-1s back in....
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Irish FX4
Brisk 3VR17YS plugs.

Here is the link. http://www.briskracing.com/product.p...age=1&featured
I just checked out this link and the site only states that they have plugs for the 3V 4.6L Mustang engine. Will these plugs work in the 3V 5.4L?
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 05:10 PM
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I just checked out this link and the site only states that they have plugs for the 3V 4.6L Mustang engine. Will these plugs work in the 3V 5.4L?
I just ordered those from Troyer Performance. I paid around 15$ a plug. I spoke to Mike for about an hour about this and some other issues.

Anyways. I have an 04 FX4 with 99,800 miles on it. I'm going to change the plugs myself. I ordered the Rotunda tool off of ebay for 200 bucks. I have the aerokroil on order.

I'll take pics, and post them when i get it done. I'm also going to go in for a de-carboning before I attempt the removal.

Nolo
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 05:33 PM
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Did you get those 2 plugs taken care of yet? Which 2 plugs were they, the 2 closest to fire wall? And not trying to give you a hard time but the majority of broken plugs reported in this thread so far have been UNDER 80,000 miles.
As of right now, no, there are two plugs in there with 107K miles on them. I've started the process with Ford "Customer Relations " only to be told that there's nothing they can do. The rep. did tell me that "IF" I pay, or have to pay for a tear down to replace the head, and there ends up being a recall, that I will get re-imbursed. I'm trying to decide what my next move will be.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 05:33 PM
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Looking through my notes for the last year, I've removed/replaced 16 sets total. Four 2005+ Navigators, one '05 Expedition, and eleven F150s. Mileage ranged from 7Kish to 81K. None broken. I kinda sorta follow the TSB...I don't use Aerokroil and I pull them on the hotter side of warm.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MGDfan
Simply put - they are NOT 100k plugs, because no such animal really exists.

Oh, they may still fire and have some semblance of a gap, but very likely not optimally. Ford does this like it does for many other parts - LOW TCO. Which makes fleet maintenance costs attractive. It's not done with the consumer's best interests in mind.

Important to keep in mind Ford's change in policy here - remove & inspect @50k ( at which point if they're out really DUMB not to replace).

Another example - Ford suppressed the advice of Bosch ( who makes the O2 sensors and strongly advises a 30-50K replacement cycle). Reason? TCO again, and additionally to keep these items off the emissions warranty replacement list - which Ford would need to pay for.

Want yet another example? 'Lifetime' fluid fill on 4R75E trannies. Reason? TCO !!! Ya Think ??? Only an idiot would not change tranny fluid in these automatics @ 30-50K. No shortage of those, though, lol.

I could keep doing this all night, but I won't because you guys will not listen.

Must be Tough being an ignorant ostrich, my deepest sympathies



So - this thread is valid, as the only way to plot breakage versus mileage, breakage versus who performed the R&R, assess failure modalities, and other statistically relevant results, etc is to have ALL the data.

I beg to differ. Ford clearly states that these trucks WILL NOT NEED a tune up or replace of spark plugs for 100K miles, period. With Platinum plugs, I should fully expect to get 100K miles from them. After all, i'm not driving a dragster, a Nascar Truck or taking my truck to the Dyno every weekend in order for my pee-pee to feel better. I drive my truck to and from work, tow on occasion and use it for play. I've never put any aftermarket performance mod on it, nor have I been to Mexico and used leaded gasoline. Hence, there has been no "noticable" performance loss of my truck over the last 100K miles. Sorry bud, but my neck perfectly normal and there's no sand in my hair.

BTW, since I do tow on occassion, my transmission has been flushed twice and my engine coolant flushed once over the last 100K miles. I have also had the differential changed as well, be it due to my LSD going out....just to help you sleep better at night knowing i'm not a "ignorant osterich". Where's that damn beer, and it better not be a light one either!
 
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