Dealer changed at 95000 miles. 2 broken.

 

When I recieved my Troyer tunes this week he had a note in the instruction sheets that mentioned that he has a new plug design availible and to contact them for details. Does anyone know if this is the Brisk plug? What do you think the chances are that a dealer would install the 1 piece plugs if you bring them in?

 

I have changed over 50 sets at my dealership without incident. Some have come out hard but none have broken off. If you break the plugs loose to no more than 1/4 turn and follow the TSB you won't have a problem. Please get your facts straight. I do this for a living so I should know.

 

You guys that have a problem with "Freakyfx4" need to lay off. He's not stating anything not intended or directed to this thread.

His comment quoted above is exactly what I was stating in my orinigal post on this thread. Although this thread is good, it's not completely accurate. You guys that have been changing your plugs AHEAD of schedule (They are 100K plugs!!!), need not comment or reply to this thread. I would think, and beleive from what's been posted so far, that the vast majority of broken plugs have come from those with over 80K miles.

To answer one of the other members question on why the dealer won't pay for snapping a plug: The dealers are very well aware of this "Issue" and are now replacing plugs that come out "easy", but when they have one that "sticks" or appears to be "seized", they leave it up to you to make the decision on whether to try to remove the plug. If it snaps and they are unable to use the "Ford designed removal tool" to get the remainder of the plug out, your responsible for the charges to pull the heads! My service manager told me the removal tool has NEVER worked on any of the snapped plugs he's had.

 

Oh really? Then give us some details on the one's you've changed. Were they on the 3V 5.4L? Did they have over 80K miles on them? Which dealer do you work for?

I know this is going to be a major recall issue down the line as we get more and more 3V V-8's hitting the 100K mile mark and getting plugs changed. I don't want Ford to have a Class-Action lawsuit on their hands, but if they don't own up to this soon, they will. The mear fact that they've had to design a tool specific to this very issue tells me they're acknoledging a problem.

 

Did you get those 2 plugs taken care of yet? Which 2 plugs were they, the 2 closest to fire wall? And not trying to give you a hard time but the majority of broken plugs reported in this thread so far have been UNDER 80,000 miles.

 

Even though the plugs are stated to last 100K miles they will not last that long in a forced induction application. I am lucky to get 15K before I notice a performance decrease.

Yes the plugs will physically last to 100K but for a performance standpoint they will generally start to decay at 60K. For the average Joe that drives his vehicle and leaves it bone stock then dont change them. I personnelly will not leave plugs in past 60K due to a performance aspect but this is a personnel preference.

 

Simply put - they are NOT 100k plugs, because no such animal really exists.

Oh, they may still fire and have some semblance of a gap, but very likely not optimally. Ford does this like it does for many other parts - LOW TCO. Which makes fleet maintenance costs attractive. It's not done with the consumer's best interests in mind.

Important to keep in mind Ford's change in policy here - remove & inspect @50k ( at which point if they're out really DUMB not to replace).

Another example - Ford suppressed the advice of Bosch ( who makes the O2 sensors and strongly advises a 30-50K replacement cycle). Reason? TCO again, and additionally to keep these items off the emissions warranty replacement list - which Ford would need to pay for.

Want yet another example? 'Lifetime' fluid fill on 4R75E trannies. Reason? TCO !!! Ya Think ??? Only an idiot would not change tranny fluid in these automatics @ 30-50K. No shortage of those, though, lol.

I could keep doing this all night, but I won't because you guys will not listen.

Must be Tough being an ignorant ostrich, my deepest sympathies



So - this thread is valid, as the only way to plot breakage versus mileage, breakage versus who performed the R&R, assess failure modalities, and other statistically relevant results, etc is to have ALL the data.

Additionally, it would be nice to see similar data from the F250 6.8L 3V and Stang 4.6L 3V sample spaces, as usage for those vehicles potentially differs from F150's. And perhaps, in the case of the Stang, the problem is better understood - I would speculate a higher percentage of maintenance/performance-minded folks owning those vehilces, with the attendent heightened awareness that accompanies that mindset. Just thinking out loud here - don't shoot just yet. lol!

 

Dealer just changed mine at 92,000 . No broken plugs

 

I would let the dealer do the first set(just in case) then I would do the rest. had them done at 25,000 when I first read about the broken plug issue. So far so good.

 

I just turned over 55,000km and im going to get the dealer to do mine for the first time. I thinking of getting it done in the spring. Will up date then whether it was a success or not.
God i hate getting the dealer to do something that is normally a simple job! What a waste of money. Chit!!

 

I would skew the results if I told you how many I've broken. But I was trying to break them.

 

Whats the part # for the Brisk Spark PLugs for the 3V 5.4 ???

 

I am curious, has anyone that has followed the TSB, and done their own plug replacement, suffered plug breakage? I watched what I could of the video, it seems that it might be a good thing to have those specialty tools for these engines to avoid having to pull the heads...

 

Since when does 20% mean there's a problem? That means 80% didn't have a problem (26% vs 78% roughly now). As I've said already this issue doesn't concern you so why are you so vocal about it? Leave the posting for the people that have dealt with or are dealing with this.

BTW
20 non broken

7 broken