And you obviously missed where I was going. AGAIN, I was using the 5.0 in the mustang as an example of what Ford is/was able to do with the 5.0 because Nards was calling it a Turd. My point was that IF Ford wanted to they in fact could have made the 5.0 much more stout in the F150. THAT WAS ALL I WAS SAYING! But they didn't because they wanted the EB to be their new premier engine option (and rightfully so).

And on the other end why would you compare a forced induction engine to an na engine? That's as equally unfair as comparing a modded engine to a non modded engine. And I say again, that's why I brought up the 5.0 in the Mustang because it's a FACTORY STOCK 5.0 that puts down great numbers. If Ford wanted to, they could have easily given the 5.0 in the F150 more HP without requiring premium fuel. FI is a HUGE upper hand. Like I said before, You can FI a 4 cylinder and it will outperform some na V8s.



Apparently I have been. I have been reading these threads on several different forums since the two trucks have been ending up in peoples' hands. They all turn ugly because a multitude of reasons. A lot of people are coming from other badges to get their hands on this new technology and are talking crap on Ford's other engines in comparison that they know nothing about.
And I never said you said anything about the 5.3 or the hemi. I thought I made it clear that my comments were made towards nards who was comparing the 5.0 to the 5.3 and the Hemi and saying it basically didn't measure up. I'm glad you are taking nard's beef and making it your own.

 

If you are trying to get BIG horsepower that's a non issue. And you can SC it for a couple grand less than that. And I suspect that with the 5.0 being the new Mustang engine of choice there will eventually be a TON of aftermarket mods to make it even more of a beast without FI.

 

They did make the Mustang version more powerful as they have been doing for as long as the same motor has been in the Mustang and F-150. But the major drawback is it makes the power higher up in the RPMs. The really big issue is the torque difference. The EB is putting out 400 Ft-Lb at less than 2000 RPMs. It peaks at 420 Ft-Lb at 2,500 RPMs. The 5.0 in the Laguna Seca Mustang is the most powerful version of this motor Ford has released to date. It has the CR bumped up to 11.0:1, factory headers a wide open exhaust and makes 380 Ft-lb at 4,500RPM. The baddest version is 40 Ft-Lb off at 2,000 RPMs more. Which motor do you think is better suited for a heavy truck? This is why the EB really shines when it is loaded. If you get the chance drive one with a heavy trailer on one. It flat moves like no gas truck I have ever driven.

I compared the two as they are on the dealership lot, which to me is about as fair as it can get. That is what I buy and is warrantied. Anything past this point is going to cost money and come with a risk. If that's not fair what would be, putting a supercharger on a 5.0 and disconnecting 2 spark plugs? I don't really care how the power is made as long it gets to the street.

I doubt there is much left on the table as it sits for the 5.0 without changing the fuel requirements. What can be done? There might be a few more Hp in the intake and exhaust but probably not more than 10 or so combined. It already has a 10.5:1 CR so can't bump that up. It already has variable cams, so that's off the table. Even in the LS where most the stops are removed the horsepower is 444 but torque is only 380. About the only thing missing is direct Injection and that won't bump up the torque. The 5.0 is a motor that likes to rev. There's nothing inherently wrong with that but in a loaded up truck it is less than ideal.

Ok have a on me. I don't give two squirts of monkey **** about some guy on the internet's issues. I have driven both the motors from 0 to the governor and with a load. To me the EB is the better motor for the job and that's why it is in my truck. If it didn't exist a 5.0 would be there as it still is a good motor.

 

Still missing my point but that's ok. You are taking my comments as 5.0 vs EB but I'm not discussing it that way. Both motors are badass and we can disagree until the cows come home about our views comparing the two motors. I never once said the 5.0 is superior/inferior or that the EB is superior/inferior. But I guess no matter what you say or how you try to say it some people still feel the need to look at it as a 5.0 vs EB topic....Oh well.




BTW I still dont know which one I'm going to buy.

 

get the 5 liter, the engine sounds so nice and the sucking of the turbos is annoying. after the honeymoon is over your not gunna notice the difference in power, but the sound you will always hear.

 

I love me some V8 sound but there is also something about the sound of turbos that I like. Really one thing that pushes me away from the EB are the reports of the horrible mpg people are getting after putting on moderately bigger tires. I love to put bigger MT tires on my trucks...and lift them if money is right at the time....and I've been far from impressed with peoples' reports of fuel mileage plummeting after doing those things to the EB....Way more than whats common with V8s. Thats really honestly my biggest hang up....That and people with the 5.0 are reporting similar, sometimes better, fuel mileage than the EB owners. I know its all subjective but when looking at everything overall it seems hit or miss with the EB when it comes to decent mileage. But then there's that torque curve that the EB has....Its good and bad to have two great engine options on the same truck..not usually a dilemma I'm used to being in.

 

I really must not see the point you are after. The 5.0 to EB comparison is something that most people buying an F-150 are going to make so that is why it comes up so often. In a unloaded truck at light throttle there's not a whole lot of difference. In fact I could really open a can of worms and say the 3.7 could suit the needs of a good number of buyers. It's not until they really get loaded up the EB can strut its stuff.

What turbo sound? The only time mine can be heard is right on spool up under a hard launch with the radio off. Then it is only for 1-2 seconds at most. There have been several discussions on how to make them louder because some of the guys want to hear them more. I think this is the first time I have heard someone complain about them being loud.

 

After reading thru this thread. it seems some are trying to compare apples to oranges. The way I see it is to make the apple (5.0) into an orange (EB) or vise versa and then compare. Give the 5.0 direct injection and twin turbos so it makes the same HP and TQ per liter as an EB and the 5.0 would make 521 HP and 600 lb ft. On the flip side, take away the direct injection and twin turbos so the EB engine makes the same HP per liter as the 5.0 and its down to a paltry 252 HP. On a side note the 3.5L v-6 w/o EB technology in the fusion sport is rated at 265 hp from the factory.

I just wish ford would have used a supercharger on the EB instead of twin turbos. I know turbos are more efficient at making power, but a factory supercharged engine is more durable than a turbo setup. With turbos being prone to bearing failure from 'coking' it will be a while before I would even consider buying any vehicle with an EB engine, especially a truck. When ford can prove they have solved the heat soak issue with turbo bearings (the cause of 'coking' and eventual failure) then I might buy one.

 

It's never going to be a fair comparison. It will cost $6-$7k to put forced induction on the 5.0. So wouldn't it only be fair to put $6k-$7k into the EB too?

 

I see what you're saying and have to say what you are doing is making it more apples and oranges. The only valid comparison is how the engines come stock. Everything else if a, "but if" comparison. Yes the 5.0 can be built to be much more powerful than the EB, if you want to put in the time and money. The same can be said about the 5.4 or 5.7 engines also. The guts of the 5.0 were designed to handle a supercharger. Most people don't have the time, money or inclination to do that to their engines. Many who do have the desire to modify their engines into a monster don't have the money to do it. Some just don't want to lose their warranty. Either way, the only valid comparison is stock to stock, since that is how you are going to buy them from the factory.

 

I didn't find this to be true. I only lost 1.5-2 mpgs with a level and 34's. Which is no more mpg's than than a V8 would have lost. I get 2-2.5 more mpg's than I got with my 06 5.4 leveled and 33's.

 

This has been addressed already, not sure if you know about it. The turbos are water cooled and at the bottom of the cooling system. When the engine is running coolant flows out of the motor and into the turbo. With the engine off the coolant in the turbo vaporizes and flows back to the radiator, fresh coolant flows in and keeps cooking the turbo down. The 3.5 EB uses Garrett GT1548s. There are specific instructions on Garrett's web page about how the turbos are to be mounted so this works correctly if you were to install them in an aftermarket situation. It also has a white paper that shows what coking is and what will happen if the mounts are not correct.

 

Did not know that. I thought they still had the traditional oil cooled bearings that coke up after a few years.

 

The GT1548 has 4 ports on the housing. Two for oil in and out and two for water in and out. The only problem I see with this is one day when I want to put bigger turbos on it might be more work to make it all come together.

Turbos are so much better than a supercharger which eats power to make power.

 

Yep n superchargers not good for fuel mileage, cause there making boost all the time, burning that fuel up, we go through this debate all the time all in the snowmobile world, N/A vs Boost. Until you install and tune your own turbo system, you will never understand. My snowmobile puts out around 400hp running straight VP C16 race gas pushing around 20 pounds of boost n the sled itself weights 450lbs.

Heres most peoples angle on turbos, its just so easy to turn that screw and get more boost, whats going on inside the motor? who cares!! turn the screw more...yeeeehawwww boost !!!!