And i will say it again, do not talk to me about theorhetical what ifs and had nots. But I will agree to disagree with you on that point so I can stop wasting my time talking about what ifs.

I guess if we can not trust Fords numbers on the EB then we cant on the 5.0, fair enough. Well what if we mod the EB, what if I add bigger turbos, big inter coolers, exhaust, etc etc. We could go back and forth. And we arent talking about a huge difference in cost, we are talking about 750 bucks. Now if we were talking about the EB costing 5 grand more than yes maybe we could say its on different levels and we really cant compare.

And to be honest I think alot of people like you are upset that the classic throaty V8 is getting beat or at the very least tied with. Even in your own words the 5.0 is hanging in there. And thats all i keep hearing is yeah but its close or the EB isnt that much better.

I really dont care my main point from the start was that for 750 bucks you get a superior towing engine. Me personally a truck isnt about just having a truck, it tows my toys, picks up items, etc. Its not entirely there for looks or for fun, that is why I have a camaro. I bought the EB because for the coin it provided the maximum towing on paper, which guess we can trust anymore. The day I get rid of the camaro and have no more toys to haul around I would probably get the 5.0 and mod it and try hot rodding around. The 5.0 is great but its not better than the hemi or EB. But the 5.0 is leaps and bounds above the 5.4 pile that ford . I still dont understand why Ford made the 5.0 to be less of an engine than the Hemi and EB. They easily could have made it a 400hp monster. Maybe for MPG or so it wouldnt compete with the 6.2.

 

any videos?

 

May just have to go make one just to stop all the bantering.

 

I'm not upset at all with either engine...I'm just tired of reading all of the EB owners acting like their EB is worlds above the 5.0 and how they just cant understand how anyone would buy anything than an EB. Like I have already stated...I have no stock in the debate because I don't own either yet. I'm just giving my two cents. I like the EB and might still end up in one. But the 5.0 is also a great engine and not nearly as sub par as you and other EB owners make it out to be.

Since your such a Hemi fan, as well as big on believing everything you hear/see in advertising....You should enjoy this video from ford when the 2004 "pile" 5.4 was being advertised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjciHi5_Yqk

Keep glued to those TV commercials champ because as we all know whats on paper and what the manufacturers tell us is always golden.....right?


And here's a vid of 2011 5.0 vs 2011 Hemi....man that 5.0 sure is a turd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld2xrilkY80

From what I've been reading I wouldn't expect you to understand. Its simple however, and its even been talked about previously as to why this is. Ford wanted the EB to be their new premier engine option and their new baby (understandably so....its the first of its kind in this genre).....So they molded the 5.0 to fall into the category they envisioned in order to keep the EB as top dog and bill it as the premier option. Its easy to see what the 5.0 is capable of STOCK FROM THE FACTORY by just looking at it in the Mustang trim. Its not rocket science....its marketing and strategy....and Koolaid....Drink up.

 

I ask anyone to put 8# thru the 5.0 and then line it up against the Ecoboost for towing and see what happens

 

700, I think you hit the nail on the head at the end of your post. It's marketing, just had the class actually, what a bitch that was But in all seriousness, I think Ford did do what you are saying. Up play the EB, because that's all I see advertised on tv for the F-150 engine. They say best towing and mpg. I'm not getting involved, just saying and for what it's worth, I love my 5.4, scoots when I need it to and is getting the same if not better mileage a lot of the newer trucks are getting on the highway and around town.

 

I'm tempted to get a 5.0 for this reason alone. The potential is there to be a monster with not much more invested and not having an overstressed V6 doing a V8's job

But tarajerame you can't do that because it wouldn't be fair to compare the two....just ask nards.....

 

Drove 254 miles last night, to my daughters. About half on two lane Texas roads with lots of traffic, through small towns, and about half on the Interstate. Averaged 21.2 driving 70 to 75, using cruise where I could. Very happy with the overall performance. Oh, it was loaded with two people and about 700 lbs.

 

I'm also tired of mouth breathing morons who can not capitalize properly or spell anything with more than four letters in it correctly calling me stupid for buying a V6 in a full size truck. The pendulum swings both ways. In fact I would ask you to check most EB vs. 5.0 threads and see who started them, the first post will be rife with misspelled words...

You do realize the motor in the Mustang has different cams and REQUIRES 91 octane from the factory. All F-150 motors are made to run on horse **** from the factory and this is what is used for advertised horsepower. For a fair comparison to the 5.0 in the Mustang you should at least give the EB a 91 octane tune. This would make the ground level. Fast Lane Turbo picked up ~90Hp/~100Ft-Lb on a 91 octane tune and down pipe. Both motors have a lot left on the table.

The real truth is both motors are better than what the other guys offer. You gotta pick the one you like the most.

 

I'm sorry that peoples' bad grammar bothers you so much. Sounds like something for you to work on....woo sah. My comments about the 5.0 from the mustang were to show that IF Ford wanted they could in fact have put the 5.0 out in the F150 with more HP than it does. Nards made the comment about the 5.0 being underpowered when compared to its nearest competition from other automakers and couldn't figure out why they'd do that. And yes, yes I do realize there are some minor differences between the two engines. I'm not a moron, nor am I a mouth breathing moron (the type of moron that apparently pisses you off).
Nards kept bringing up the stock vs modified issue so I was using the Mustang 5.0 as an example of the same motor (essentially) putting out great numbers FROM THE FACTORY (something he was hung up on).

I'm aware how turbo engines work and how easy they are to get big horsepower out of if you want to spend the coin....However, by the shear nature of the two engines I still say that if one wanted to get big horsepower out of these two motors the 5.0 would be the starting point of choice.

So what you are saying is that the octane of fuel that the engines run on is more of an equalizing factor than one being FI and one being NA? Where's the nearest brick wall so I can go bang my head against it....



Im neither a 5.0 nor an EB fanboy...just tired of all this crap. I've read tons and tons of threads and I see EB owners on their high horse way more often than I see 5.0 owners calling EB owners stupid for buying a V6. Anyone that knows anything about this stuff knows that both motors are awesome in their own ways. To see someone making comments comparing the 5.0 to the Hemi and Chevy 5.3 and how its sub par in that category tells me just how ignorant they really are.

 

Just to jump in and "not" stir the pot I have had my EB for about 6 months now. AND I love it... But the truth be told If I had the 5.0 I am sure I would llove it as well! My co-worker has the 5.0 and we almost never argu about which is the best one
I have a wish list of things I would have liked to have done and eventually may still add some of them....
Remote Start
Backup Camera
6ft bed
some sort of step to be able to reach into the front of the bed from the side...The little kick out stp does not work on the 5.5 bed

 

It's a good starting point if you have $6k-$7k to put forced induction on it.

 

You missed where I was going. A lot of the arguments against the EB were made by people who have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about and do not seem to have much of an education. They spout off some nonsense like the durability testing of 150,000 miles and then argue the motor will only last for that long. What they fail to understand is the motor under their hood was only tested to 100,000 miles. Go look around in the V6 area. That is where the worst ones seem to be.

Ummm no, you compared the motor in the F-150 to the one in the Mustang. One is rated at 360Hp the other is 412 or 440 depending on trim. It takes cams, 91 octane fuel, improved intake and exhaust to reach this level. Your comparison was a little off. If you want to compare the Mustang 5.0 to the EB a 91 octane tune would make the playing field level. In the older 5.4s and 4.6s this would free up about 30Hp or so. On a turbo motor you might be able to get more since you can play with timing and boost levels not just timing like a NA motor.

If you want to compare a force fed 5.0 to a stock EB you really are not thinking right. A twin turbo set up would run you at least $6000. A supercharger would empty your wallet of $4000 or more. Why would you compare a stock motor to one with several thousand worth of mods on it? Just a few posts up people were complaining about the $750 cost of the EB. The only equal comparison would be bone stock otherwise it's just a matter of who has the deeper pockets.

You must have read different threads than I have. Most of the ones I saw turned ugly once someone started spouting off about how stupid it was to have a V6 in a full size truck. I never compared the 5.3 to anything but an antique. GM should make a modern motor and put the pushrods in a museum where they belong. The only real Hemi went out of production in the 60s. The new one is an imposter.

 

Funny you mention the 5.4 bc I just got out of an expedition EL and that thing had no power and was the biggest POS Ive ever driven in terms of power. My new F150 with the 5.0 is soooo smooth compared to that crap.

 

Just explaining my choice of Engines

I test driven first, a 5.0L, and then a EB. The EB accelerated harder, once i got past the lag (not all that much but definitely noticeable).
The 5.0L had plenty of get up and go for me. Unlike the 5.4 3v i have in my 2010
I,m not 20 years old anymore and don't need to get to the next set of traffic lights faster then the vehicle beside me.
My driving habits are now geared for MPG, not MPH and i believe i can do as good with the 5.0L as i could with the EB. (MPG)
My pick of engines for my next truck, since i don't pull a trailer very often, is the 5.0L.
I'm not arguing which engine is best, just my own preference. In the long run, i also wont have to worry about the more complicated EB engines repair costs (turbo's), since i just might keep this truck past my warranty's expiration. ( that will be a first....)
Merry Christmas to you all.