EcoBoost and 5.0L comparo videos
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Get the new EB with the big fuel tank and you are right back to over $100 fill ups just like your old diesel. But I agree, everything else maintenance wise is way too expensive if its a daily driver.
You need to take a little bit of your own medicine when comparing the EB to the V8s on the market. You say you cant compare a modded engine to a stock engine but yet you are comparing a forced induction engine to NA engines. Its not rocket science or completely out of this world for a V6 (or even a 4 cylinder) to outperform a V8 when you slap twin turbos on it. So to say how impressive it is that this "little v6" outperforms the V8s really doesn't mean a whole lot to me when you are looking at a twin turbo FI engine and comparing it to a NA small"ish" displacement V8. Not really that amazing to anyone who knows anything about the automotive world. I agree though, the EB is a great step in power/efficiency for a full size truck.
What it boils down to is we have a TON of people trying to compare and go to war, with two engines that are really apples and oranges.
My issue is that we have all these EB owners talking like their truck is the cream of the crop but then when you bring up some modifications the argument turns into "well I'm talking stock vs stock".....1st of all, if you want bragging rights about how fast your ride is, don't buy a pickup, secondly, if you really want bragging rights be willing to drop the coin and effort into making your vehicle faster....because there are a lot of people out there that are going to MAKE SURE their 5.0 stomps any EB on the road, and the argument that the EB is faster off the show room floor is going to hold no weight.
Nothing personal...Im just tired of seeing all of this back and forth arguments comparing apples to oranges...because if you made the orange (NA V8) into an apple (forced induction)....it would outperform the original factory apple.
In the end they are both AMAZING engines....and I have no idea which one I'm going to buy
You need to take a little bit of your own medicine when comparing the EB to the V8s on the market. You say you cant compare a modded engine to a stock engine but yet you are comparing a forced induction engine to NA engines. Its not rocket science or completely out of this world for a V6 (or even a 4 cylinder) to outperform a V8 when you slap twin turbos on it. So to say how impressive it is that this "little v6" outperforms the V8s really doesn't mean a whole lot to me when you are looking at a twin turbo FI engine and comparing it to a NA small"ish" displacement V8. Not really that amazing to anyone who knows anything about the automotive world. I agree though, the EB is a great step in power/efficiency for a full size truck.
What it boils down to is we have a TON of people trying to compare and go to war, with two engines that are really apples and oranges.
My issue is that we have all these EB owners talking like their truck is the cream of the crop but then when you bring up some modifications the argument turns into "well I'm talking stock vs stock".....1st of all, if you want bragging rights about how fast your ride is, don't buy a pickup, secondly, if you really want bragging rights be willing to drop the coin and effort into making your vehicle faster....because there are a lot of people out there that are going to MAKE SURE their 5.0 stomps any EB on the road, and the argument that the EB is faster off the show room floor is going to hold no weight.
Nothing personal...Im just tired of seeing all of this back and forth arguments comparing apples to oranges...because if you made the orange (NA V8) into an apple (forced induction)....it would outperform the original factory apple.
In the end they are both AMAZING engines....and I have no idea which one I'm going to buy
For one on the 36 gallon fuel tank I dont have it and dont have to have if I dont want, so really a mute point. Either way my diesel was a 38 gallon tank, I got 13 mpg at 4.19 a gallon for diesel right now. So I could go 494 miles at cost of 159 bucks. "IF" i had the 36 gallon tank I could go 594 miles at cost of 3.39 a gallon for total of 122 bucks, so 20 cents a mile on the EB and 32 cents a mile on the diesel. And the numbers i calculated were 16.5mpg in the EB for the city, not really mixed driving. That diesel was 13 dont matter what you did.
It doesnt matter if the EB has turbos, its still a stock motor from the factory. So how can you say its modded, because thats how it was orginally designed. But I get your point. I am not saying the 5.0 is a chit motor, its not its pretty good but I wouldnt say its all that amazing, seeing as the hemi has more power and its only a few more ponies and lbs in torque above the chevy 5.3.
On paper the EB is a stronger more effecient engine, no questions unless ford is lying on their numbers. Is it marginal in some spots yes i would agree. But Im not going to listen to theoretical ideas like if I had this instead or your buddies dads tunned truck could beat mine. Whatever. Buy what fits you and what you can afford. I bought the EB because its more powerful than the 5.0 and can tow my load.
As far what you are going to get. If your not going to be towing a lot or not towing big get the 5.0 If you need to tow get the EB. But personally I would wait till next year and see if Ford redesigns anything and see what Chevy is going to do. Chevy is going resdesign their line from what I heard, and i cant see them redesigning their line and not trump ford in a few categories.
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I am not saying the 5.0 is a chit motor, its not its pretty good but I wouldnt say its all that amazing, seeing as the hemi has more power and its only a few more ponies and lbs in torque above the chevy 5.3.
On paper the EB is a stronger more effecient engine, no questions unless ford is lying on their numbers. Is it marginal in some spots yes i would agree. But Im not going to listen to theoretical ideas like if I had this instead or your buddies dads tunned truck could beat mine. Whatever. Buy what fits you and what you can afford. I bought the EB because its more powerful than the 5.0 and can tow my load.
As far what you are going to get. If your not going to be towing a lot or not towing big get the 5.0 If you need to tow get the EB. But personally I would wait till next year and see if Ford redesigns anything and see what Chevy is going to do. Chevy is going resdesign their line from what I heard, and i cant see them redesigning their line and not trump ford in a few categories.
On paper the EB is a stronger more effecient engine, no questions unless ford is lying on their numbers. Is it marginal in some spots yes i would agree. But Im not going to listen to theoretical ideas like if I had this instead or your buddies dads tunned truck could beat mine. Whatever. Buy what fits you and what you can afford. I bought the EB because its more powerful than the 5.0 and can tow my load.
As far what you are going to get. If your not going to be towing a lot or not towing big get the 5.0 If you need to tow get the EB. But personally I would wait till next year and see if Ford redesigns anything and see what Chevy is going to do. Chevy is going resdesign their line from what I heard, and i cant see them redesigning their line and not trump ford in a few categories.
My 5.0 tows just fine. During the summer I usually have a trailer hooked up from the mowing trailer during the week. Pulling 6000+ lbs mustang on the weekend to pulling a ton of weight selling cows or buying hay. Go pull with one and you will see. It may not win a drag race pulling but it gets the job done.
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guess what the powerstroke diesels are, V8's.....
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I just traded my 02 Scab 4x4 with the 2valve 5.4 for a 2011 Scab 4x4 with the 5.0.
I thought the old 5.4 pulled great. The 5.0 is an absolute best compared to the 5.4.
I looked hard at the EB, was even leaning that way at first. Ended up with the 5.0 for a variety of reasons in the end.
I can't remember but I really don't think there was that much difference between the GCVWR of my 02 #7700 and a new EB equipped towing rig.
I just traded my 02 Scab 4x4 with the 2valve 5.4 for a 2011 Scab 4x4 with the 5.0.
I thought the old 5.4 pulled great. The 5.0 is an absolute best compared to the 5.4.
I looked hard at the EB, was even leaning that way at first. Ended up with the 5.0 for a variety of reasons in the end.
I can't remember but I really don't think there was that much difference between the GCVWR of my 02 #7700 and a new EB equipped towing rig.
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Again you are making comparisons that are what ifs. What if I bought this and what if I modded this.
For one on the 36 gallon fuel tank I dont have it and dont have to have if I dont want, so really a mute point. Either way my diesel was a 38 gallon tank, I got 13 mpg at 4.19 a gallon for diesel right now. So I could go 494 miles at cost of 159 bucks. "IF" i had the 36 gallon tank I could go 594 miles at cost of 3.39 a gallon for total of 122 bucks, so 20 cents a mile on the EB and 32 cents a mile on the diesel. And the numbers i calculated were 16.5mpg in the EB for the city, not really mixed driving. That diesel was 13 dont matter what you did.
It doesnt matter if the EB has turbos, its still a stock motor from the factory. So how can you say its modded, because thats how it was orginally designed. But I get your point. I am not saying the 5.0 is a chit motor, its not its pretty good but I wouldnt say its all that amazing, seeing as the hemi has more power and its only a few more ponies and lbs in torque above the chevy 5.3.
On paper the EB is a stronger more effecient engine, no questions unless ford is lying on their numbers. Is it marginal in some spots yes i would agree. But Im not going to listen to theoretical ideas like if I had this instead or your buddies dads tunned truck could beat mine. Whatever. Buy what fits you and what you can afford. I bought the EB because its more powerful than the 5.0 and can tow my load.
As far what you are going to get. If your not going to be towing a lot or not towing big get the 5.0 If you need to tow get the EB. But personally I would wait till next year and see if Ford redesigns anything and see what Chevy is going to do. Chevy is going resdesign their line from what I heard, and i cant see them redesigning their line and not trump ford in a few categories.
For one on the 36 gallon fuel tank I dont have it and dont have to have if I dont want, so really a mute point. Either way my diesel was a 38 gallon tank, I got 13 mpg at 4.19 a gallon for diesel right now. So I could go 494 miles at cost of 159 bucks. "IF" i had the 36 gallon tank I could go 594 miles at cost of 3.39 a gallon for total of 122 bucks, so 20 cents a mile on the EB and 32 cents a mile on the diesel. And the numbers i calculated were 16.5mpg in the EB for the city, not really mixed driving. That diesel was 13 dont matter what you did.
It doesnt matter if the EB has turbos, its still a stock motor from the factory. So how can you say its modded, because thats how it was orginally designed. But I get your point. I am not saying the 5.0 is a chit motor, its not its pretty good but I wouldnt say its all that amazing, seeing as the hemi has more power and its only a few more ponies and lbs in torque above the chevy 5.3.
On paper the EB is a stronger more effecient engine, no questions unless ford is lying on their numbers. Is it marginal in some spots yes i would agree. But Im not going to listen to theoretical ideas like if I had this instead or your buddies dads tunned truck could beat mine. Whatever. Buy what fits you and what you can afford. I bought the EB because its more powerful than the 5.0 and can tow my load.
As far what you are going to get. If your not going to be towing a lot or not towing big get the 5.0 If you need to tow get the EB. But personally I would wait till next year and see if Ford redesigns anything and see what Chevy is going to do. Chevy is going resdesign their line from what I heard, and i cant see them redesigning their line and not trump ford in a few categories.
And I don't care about what Ford is saying about these engines on paper. But apparently you do...That's called buying in to the hype my friend. So far, what I'm seeing is the ONLY thing the EB excels at over the 5.0 is ease of towing. That's its. Yes the EB has an insane torque curve. Which is why its towing so great. Everything else anyone is reporting the 5.0 is hanging right in there with the EB. The 5.0 reported fuel economy is right there with the EB (sometimes higher, and I speculate its higher while towing the same weight in comparison).
"On paper" "on paper" "on paper" Apparently you love to read magazine articles and watch commercials (propaganda). Just because the Hemi has more REPORTED horsepower doesn't mean its worlds above the 5.0. In fact I'd take my chances with the 5.0 over the hemi any day. The 5.0 will hang right there with the hemi in every category AND its a lot smaller of an engine. The fact that you are even comparing the 5.0 to the hemi and the chevy 5.3 and portraying them as better engines.....Tells me you don't know enough about this topic to be in a debate about it.
I'll say it again, comparing an FI engine to an NA engine is just as bad as comparing a modded engine to a non modded engine. So you are just as guilty as everyone else that is taking into account the future potential of the 5.0 when compared to the EB.
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I love both engines. I think they are both great. I'm just getting sick and tired of hearing all the EB owners always preaching about their engine and how superior it is. I've driven both and both are super impressive. Two different animals...both beasts.
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Guess I should be more clear!
Pull a 7000lb trailer in the Rocky Mountains,even occasionally and see which engine most would choose....
Again I could care less which is better for the other guy.....just me!
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I'm in flat land. So that doesn't pertain to me. But if that were the case it would be a diesel. I know people with the eb here and they get worse towing mileage than I do. I can only imagine how it would be in the mountains with a decent load.
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Really?
There is no way on earth I would buy a larger,less efficient,rough riding truck for that trailer unless it was getting pulled every week of the year,which I don't have to worry about up here.
EB Mpg pulling is the same as any V8....gasser
I have pulled with,just does it with much less shifting and revving.If Ford didn't have the EB in the line up I wouldn't own an F150 cause the 5.0L did not inspire at all.... and am very glad lots of guys are happy with the 5.0L but I would not be.
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I could have picked the 5.0, EB or 6.2 in my Platinum. I didn't want to feed the 6.2 so that left me with the 5.0 or EB. I drove a 5.0 in a 4x2 Lariat with 3.73s one day and was impressed. Once it reved up a little bit it was respectably quick. The next day I drove two EBs. One was a 4x2 XLT with a 5,000lb trailer the other was a FX4. The EB pulled the trailer so much better than the 5.4 in my old KR ever could dream of. The ability of it to just go impressed me. I also drove another 5.0 in a 4x4 Platinum very similar to the truck I now own. It sounded great but in the heavier truck I was not nearly as impressed.
Which brings me to my own conclusion. In the lighter trucks it pretty much is a wash if the 5.0 has an aggressive (3.73+) gearset. That motor needs to rev to make power. In the heavier 4x4 crew cabs the EB seems to be the better motor since it makes its power much lower in the RPMs. I also bought my EB on X-Plan with a $500 off coupon for doing the test drive. After those two discounts the option only cost me ~$130, it was a no brainer at that point.
Now can't we stop this stupid manhood measuring contest and go trash some GM trash, Mopar garbage or jap junk? Leave the pissing contests to the urologists.
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So you would buy a diesel to pull a 7000lb trailer?
Really?
There is no way on earth I would buy a larger,less efficient,rough riding truck for that trailer unless it was getting pulled every week of the year,which I don't have to worry about up here.
EB Mpg pulling is the same as any V8....gasser I have pulled with,just does it with much less shifting and revving.
If Ford didn't have the EB in the line up I wouldn't own an F150 cause the 5.0L did not inspire at all.... and am very glad lots of guys are happy with the 5.0L but I would not be.
Really?
There is no way on earth I would buy a larger,less efficient,rough riding truck for that trailer unless it was getting pulled every week of the year,which I don't have to worry about up here.
EB Mpg pulling is the same as any V8....gasser
I have pulled with,just does it with much less shifting and revving.If Ford didn't have the EB in the line up I wouldn't own an F150 cause the 5.0L did not inspire at all.... and am very glad lots of guys are happy with the 5.0L but I would not be.
I ordered mine with 3.73's, never test drove any because I tow alot. It may be a dog with different gears.
I'v read numerous reports of towing mpg's and comparisons are never going to be exactly the same, but I see alot of eb's pulling heavy loads under 10mpg. I got 12.5 pulling over 11,000lbs. (Dont bring the overweight arguments, it was unavoidable). The problem with the eb is that its a small engine that relies on the turbos to make power (nothing wrong with that) so when loaded it uses those turbos alot and that forces more air in which in turn means more fuel. They tow like nothing is back there but it uses alot of fuel to do so. If gas was back at $2 a gallon I would be driving a eb because of the way it tows, but gas is not there and my 5.0 gets way better towing.
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I only wish, but the competition just isnt there so we have to argue among ourselves. In a couple years we will get to argue with the others. I hate ford vs. ford, but I have to stand up for my (5.0) ford when I see it being talked bad about. If I had a eb I would be the same way for it. They are both awesome, and both spank the competition. At elevation the eb wins no doubt but Near sea level they are virtually the same performance wise.