Hmmmmm....VERY different issues there. The Toyota thing is not a saftey issue, the SD flamethower problem was. THAT is why the Ford was recalled and the Toyota wasn't. It wasnt anything to do with goodwill from Ford. Dont believe it......what about the issues with the 5.4Ls spark plugs breaking off????

 

How was the SD flamethrower problem a safety issue? I don't and hope you wouldn't have anything near the tail pipe anyhow when it is in regeneration mode. So since common sense prevails, why issue a recall and just like the truck do what it needs to do?

 

you know what i take it back, Toyota did recall more vehicles than it sold in america last year

but i don't want to get into a Toyota vs Ford issue

the spark plug issue sucks but it hasn't happened to any 5.4L i know personally...trust me i know a lot of the 5.4L. 4.6L, and 6.8L engines

 

You have got to be kidding.....I mean hell I don't know how a 12in open flame blowing out the tailpipe could be considered a safety issue either.


Hell I don't even know anyone that owns a Tundra...and like I have said before I will never own a Japanese branded vehicle. But at the same time I am not so biased that I think everything Ford does is golden and everything all the other makers do is some kind of conspiracy. The facts that I pointed out about your post were totally revalent...the PS issue was a safety issue...thus a recall, the Toyota one is not...thus no recall. Comparing the Toyota cam problem to the spark plug problem is a lot more relevant. However I think if you do have the problem with your cams in your Toyota they are fixing it...has Ford stepped up a single time on the spark plug issue and admitted fault???

 

Yeah guy,s but you're missing the point...have you seen a Tundra?! I sure hope they don't charge extra for all that ugly

 

what did you not get about my post there?

FORD IS FAR FROM GOLDEN

TOYOTA IS ACTUALLY DOING **** RIGHT

BUT I STILL LIKE FORD BETTER

 

Hmm... so does that mean I have a recall on my Bernzomatic blow torch?

1. It is not a safety issue because users who own those types of trucks should know better not to allow it to come into contact with combustable material.
2. It is not a safety issue because it states in the manual that the exhaust system has a regenerative cycle, and produces high heat to burn off carbon deposits.
3. Any person that has driven an automobile knows that there are hot components underneath and around the vehicle.
4. Diesels produce high exhaust temperatures anyhow. Ever stand in front of a diesel's exhaust pipe? Within 3 feet you can get serious burns if you stay there for more than 1 minute.

So with that in mind, there is NO reason why Ford had to recall it.

 

My toaster gets dam nhot too if I hold my hand 6 in above, but you can be damn sure if it has flames spitting out of it they'd issue a recall.

 

I really hope your joking, because if you can't see how an open flame shooting out the tailpipe of a truck is a saftey problem your obviously an idiot.

 

I wish the new engine wasn't called the "Boss." That name is stupid.

Triton doesn't make since either (a God of the sea or something), but it sounds much better.

 

It isn't a safety problem. It is a commerical truck... not the average consumer is going to buy it. (Then again, more and more people are buying SD's just because they look cool and don't use them as a work truck.) There are different restrictions placed on commercial trucks... one is Ford doesn't have to announce the fuel consumption, second Ford doesn't have to make it applicable to the current vehicle theft/security and restraint systems, and third Ford doesn't have to make them safe for general "consumer" use.

Now if there were flames shooting out of the tailpipe of a F150 or a mustang... that is a totally different scenario. Now THATS a safety issue.

You want to know why that recall was issued? Probably some big-wig's garage caught on fire because he wanted a F-350 with the 6.4l to have for show. I betcha I don't even need a flame coming out of a diesel and I can still catch my garage on fire. It's all a bunch of BS.

(Have you ever seen a tractor trailer shoot flames? Look carefully at night when a truck driver hammers on the pedal... it's not much, but you can tell the intensity of the heat and the fuel being burnt.)

 

Okay.. one sidestep off topic and then right back on....

Navistar is suing Ford because they have a contract with them until 2012 to be their diesel engine provider.. but they got wind that Ford is developing their own diesel for release in an F150 in 2010. That's what the lawsuit is about. Has nothing to do with Ford stealing any kind of design from them.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled argument.

 

nope
http://www.internationaldelivers.com...ail.asp?id=864
http://www.apics.org/APICS/Resources...070607EDIT.xml
http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArti...rticleID=14341
there are a lot more but i am not going to post all of them
but you did actually state the other half of the lawsuit of which i did not say, but you were wrong to say i was wrong, i don't know....stealing.....might not have been the right word but it sure does have to do with the design

We now return you to your regularly scheduled argument.

 

they might have scrapped the Boss name too, i heard a rumor that it was going to be the "Premium V8" which sucks, i much rather have Boss

 

After doing a little research of my own, I see that the original lawsuit by Navistar has been ammended. I quit reading the weekly releases about it at work after about the first three.

Originally it was for breech of contract like I stated above. Navistar is grasping at straws because of the warranty suit that Ford brought against them and a big chunk of their money tree drying up very shortly.